USF is raising tuition fees and yet is paying $2 million for football coach? (Orlando: school, universities)

[TransplantedFloridian]

Originally Posted by Tampaite

The goal of colleges/universities ought to be to enhance academic values not how to get players to come to their universities.

Many, MANY of the students looking for a school to attend take into consideration that schools sports program. Skip Holtz' $2M salary was likely far surpassed by the amount of money the Bulls brought in this year - as terrible as they were.

[marcopolo]

Hey, don't worry about it. With all the news about brain injuries from repetitive sub-concussive head trauma, big-time college football is going away sooner or later. I'm not sure if chess, debate, speech, or flag football will ever be able to fill the gap.

[kyle19125]

Originally Posted by TransplantedFloridian

Many, MANY of the students looking for a school to attend take into consideration that schools sports program. Skip Holtz' $2M salary was likely far surpassed by the amount of money the Bulls brought in this year - as terrible as they were.

Absolutely and for many universities this is what it all boils down to...it's a PR issue. Name recognition and winning equate to lots of chatter on ESPN and elsewhere, which leads to the hype and even overexposure when not winning, seen with schools like Michigan, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Texas, etc.

In terms of renewing Holtz's contract as previously mentioned, USF could very well have been hunting discreetly for a replacement and realized no one else was available with Holtz's name and reputation. To an extent I think Skip has been riding on daddy's reputation (Lou Holtz) and doing so helped him hang on longer than he normally would have at USF.

[SeaSpur]

Originally Posted by Tampaite

Absolutely BS.

Here is a link to see how much schools pay from their budget

Link: USA TODAY Sports college football coaches salaries database

You don't know what you are talking about.

Coaches do not, unless there are very special circumstances, get paid from academic or anything taxpayers put into. The post you replied to and shot down was correct; you are wrong.

Besides, you can't look at a college coach versus a professor in terms of salaries. There are thousands of people who can do what college professors do...many of thousands. Not true for a successful football coach- they are rare. When you are rare, you are in low supply and high demand...and you know what economics tell us, right?

Also, the amount of money that coaches makes for the athletic program is ridiculous. Where are you going to find 80,000 people to attend a final calculus exam?

Last note: you need to know that athletic departments actually donate TO the school in multiple forms in many universities. The opposite of what you are trying to construe.

[Gatornation]

What USF does that many top programs do not is charge a very high student athletic fee. This might not go directly to a coaches salary but it's the way they build sports programs since they don't have many boosters or people willing to donate money.

[TXRyan23]

Originally Posted by Tampaite

The goal of colleges/universities ought to be to enhance academic values not how to get players to come to their universities.

Then go to a school that doesn't have NCAA Division I Athletics... It's not rocket science.

[things and stuff]

Originally Posted by SeaSpur

You don't know what you are talking about.

Coaches do not, unless there are very special circumstances, get paid from academic or anything taxpayers put into. The post you replied to and shot down was correct; you are wrong.

I don't have a dog in this fight, and I get what you're saying, but that's not technically true.

The coaches get a "base salary" that is taken from the university's salary and benefits funding. For instance, at LSU, Les Miles gets $300k a year paid to him from the tax payers + benefits. However, the football program itself pays Les Miles many millions a year which does not come from the tax payers.

Also, some of Les Miles's assistant coaches get up to $500k in base salary from the state tax payers as well as the football players get free or reduced price education. The TAF gives (i think) $4m back to the university, presumably to reimburse for base salaries and possibly some other expenses. The accounting that goes on with college athletics is fuzzy.

[SeaSpur]

Originally Posted by things and stuff

I don't have a dog in this fight, and I get what you're saying, but that's not technically true.

The coaches get a "base salary" that is taken from the university's salary and benefits funding. For instance, at LSU, Les Miles gets $300k a year paid to him from the tax payers + benefits. However, the football program itself pays Les Miles many millions a year which does not come from the tax payers.

Les Miles and a very small select few, not "coaches" as in a majority. The ones who do, it is usually some sort of accounting pencil whipping and effort to get tax breaks.

So I stand by my initial comment that unless there are special circumstances, coaches do not receive salary from the academic side or from taxpayer money. It is composed of money from the Athletic Department budget paired with manufacturer deals, TV/Radio deals, and other promotional activities.

[Gatornation]

Originally Posted by SeaSpur

Les Miles and a very small select few, not "coaches" as in a majority. The ones who do, it is usually some sort of accounting pencil whipping and effort to get tax breaks.

So I stand by my initial comment that unless there are special circumstances, coaches do not receive salary from the academic side or from taxpayer money. It is composed of money from the Athletic Department budget paired with manufacturer deals, TV/Radio deals, and other promotional activities.

Right.

[things and stuff]

Let's talk facts. Everybody knows that the football programs pay for the million dollar salaries, but what evidence do you have that the USF athletic fund pays for the coaches' base salaries?

Lou Holtz had a base salary of $500k. The link below shows millions in salaries coming out of state coffers for USF football, but none show up for UF football. It's possible that they are being reimbursed to USF, but to just assume these things is to be entirely too trusting of government.

Salaries in Florida's Universities: Database