01-16-2013, 10:48 AM
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Very well said!!!
And it was my point that some people simply OVERPAYING in these bidding wars... That's why I was asking earlier what these people are thinking?!! And no wonder why we see some threads with cry all over it about appraisal being way below their offer price
Investors are smart, they are not paying more.. They prefer to get a true deal... Otherwise it doesn't make sence for them to buy in the first place. Complains I heard from people were that Sellers prefer cash buyers aka investors over others.
I am sure you know about an auto-regressive model. That's what it is as far as appraisers go. Until a switch from pattern comes they will continue in either direction, coming in higher during a rise (bubble) and coming in low, during last few years. They still continue to come low. Only a cash buyers or those who have significant down payment will start to change the pattern. Because they can afford the asking price
if they think that is fair value for them . Then it is all be feeding itself...Media will hype the recovery....people will try to jump in...and appraisers will follow and the cycle will continue.
I think for you specifically, EngGirl, you may be up against seasonal factors too. Normally, house inventories are low and price spike at this time of year. While keeping a close eye on the market may be your best bet is to wait for the Spring season to get a good deal when supply picks up as more people comes in to sale. I specifically decided to refinance in winter for this reason, supply is small and prices will be higher. But make no mistake that, if one look at year over year price and sale (that should be what has to be looked at) everything shows this year has higher values than last. But two points don't make a trend so the jury is still out there if the pattern holds.
In the mean time, I would just relax and read all the entertainment of the bidding war
01-16-2013, 10:55 AM
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Very well said!!!
And it was my point that some people simply OVERPAYING in these bidding wars... That's why I was asking earlier what these people are thinking?!! And no wonder why we see some threads with cry all over it about appraisal being way below their offer price
Investors are smart, they are not paying more.. They prefer to get a true deal... Otherwise it doesn't make sence for them to buy in the first place. Complains I heard from people were that Sellers prefer cash buyers aka investors over others.
Depends who the seller is...if it is a bankowned than it comes down where the mortgage for the buyer will be taken. If the bank will beable to provide a loan than they probably like the mortgage/financing offer better sice they can collect fees and lots of interest over the enxt years...above a cash deal.
01-16-2013, 11:10 AM
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Recent example of home sold in Wesley Chapel and the history of the house;
listed in 2006 for $ 365K up to all the way till 2008 listed for over $ 300K...
Foreclosed on and relisted in 2012 for $ 143,900, sold 2 months later for $ 139 K by investor and minimum fixed up...carpet, appliances and 2 new A/C units and some interior and exterior paint and sod...not even blinds!
Relisted in 2012 for $ 245K which is more than $ 100 K over the sold price...and no appraisal woud have come back for that price (btw it is located with the backyard on St Rd 54!!
Sold for $ 239 K a 119 days later to another investor who now is trying to rent it out for $ 600 above the average rental amounts in the area!
One smart investor and one stupid investor from Out of State who bought more than 20 homes in the area...!
It will make the values go a little bit up but not much for the next appraisal...
Perhaps this investor wants to keep it for 20 years
01-16-2013, 02:11 PM
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Depends who the seller is...if it is a bankowned than it comes down where the mortgage for the buyer will be taken. If the bank will beable to provide a loan than they probably like the mortgage/financing offer better sice they can collect fees and lots of interest over the enxt years...above a cash deal.
Is it true only if the buyer would use Seller's mortgage? For example, if BOA is selling a house and someone came in with approved mortgage letter from Bank ABC and someone with cash offer, do you think BOA would care about mortgage through another lender?
01-16-2013, 02:23 PM
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Recent example of home sold in Wesley Chapel and the history of the house;
listed in 2006 for $ 365K up to all the way till 2008 listed for over $ 300K...
Foreclosed on and relisted in 2012 for $ 143,900, sold 2 months later for $ 139 K by investor and minimum fixed up...carpet, appliances and 2 new A/C units and some interior and exterior paint and sod...not even blinds!
Relisted in 2012 for $ 245K which is more than $ 100 K over the sold price...and no appraisal woud have come back for that price (btw it is located with the backyard on St Rd 54!!
Sold for $ 239 K a 119 days later to another investor who now is trying to rent it out for $ 600 above the average rental amounts in the area!
One smart investor and one stupid investor from Out of State who bought more than 20 homes in the area...!
It will make the values go a little bit up but not much for the next appraisal...
Perhaps this investor wants to keep it for 20 years
LOL
Second inverstor is not a smart person. I bet he didn't use local realtor
But I see at least few homes in WC-LOL area purchased by realtor 6 months ago for 150K and listed now for 240K... No bidding wars... No offers... I bet they think market is slow in Tampa Bay Area
There is a reason I would not buy a quickly fixed house from the investor. They covered all potential problems - not solved it! It's s big deal! I see many houses on our street sitting vacant for 3-4 even 5 years now!!! With no utilities -> no AC -> possible mold inside walls.
I made an offer recently for one of this houses, lower than asking price by factoring repair cost to bring it to live-ready condition (I discovered mold myself, don't ask me how... took a quote to change drywalls from friend of mine and carpet to the cheapest one, to replace grass at the front)... Guess what? My offer was rejected. The one they accept is still below asking price but not much... It's not public info, but some agents talk to much in such a small world
... I guess people either didn't know about some issues with that long time vacant house or just wanted that house at any cast no matter what.... I loved that house and wanted it really bad, but I didn't see the point to pay more than I offered and deal with all issues while I can buy move-in ready house sold by owner cheaper...
01-16-2013, 05:22 PM
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Is it true only if the buyer would use Seller's mortgage? For example, if BOA is selling a house and someone came in with approved mortgage letter from Bank ABC and someone with cash offer, do you think BOA would care about mortgage through another lender?
No...they would probably like the cash offer better since the bottom line will be the same for them but more chances of getting it closed...banks think in $ and with their business brains and if they need to get it off their balance sheet or not.
01-16-2013, 05:31 PM
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LOL
Second inverstor is not a smart person. I bet he didn't use local realtor
But I see at least few homes in WC-LOL area purchased by realtor 6 months ago for 150K and listed now for 240K... No bidding wars... No offers... I bet they think market is slow in Tampa Bay Area
There is a reason I would not buy a quickly fixed house from the investor. They covered all potential problems - not solved it! It's s big deal! I see many houses on our street sitting vacant for 3-4 even 5 years now!!! With no utilities -> no AC -> possible mold inside walls.
I made an offer recently for one of this houses, lower than asking price by factoring repair cost to bring it to live-ready condition (I discovered mold myself, don't ask me how... took a quote to change drywalls from friend of mine and carpet to the cheapest one, to replace grass at the front)... Guess what? My offer was rejected. The one they accept is still below asking price but not much... It's not public info, but some agents talk to much in such a small world
... I guess people either didn't know about some issues with that long time vacant house or just wanted that house at any cast no matter what.... I loved that house and wanted it really bad, but I didn't see the point to pay more than I offered and deal with all issues while I can buy move-in ready house sold by owner cheaper...
Perhaps the same investor as the one I mentioned....sounds very similar and to me it was very suprising that this investor got one dumb$$ to buy it for that kind of money...
On the second part...I totally agree with you about not buying a quickly fixed up foreclosed or short sale from an investor who bought it a few weeks or months ago.
We had some investors who still bought them after they were longer on the market and the other investor seem to have run out of money...we ended up fixing the remainder and renting them out but many items were remodeled so badly and even a person like us who is not a contractor could see things but some of the investors send their own people to look at them after we send them some listings and they go by what that person is advicing and a cheap home inspectors since they shop around and don't want to use any of the home inspectors and try to save money on termite and mold inspections.
Other investors who are fixing them up and selling them quickly by related realtors and often don't disclose their relationship and "forget" to mention the sinkhole, etc...
Some look very nice but are fixed up cheap so the eye will like it and the price is above market value...maybe not much but many times people fall for the nice esthetics instead of what is also important...
I have many names of realtors we avoid due to being in that business and their not disclosure of affiliation with title companies they demand the closing to be held at regardless if they are the seller or buyer and from the start you keep feeling something is wrong but often it is hard to get that across to the clients but luckily in the end none of our clients did business with them by closing at their title company!
01-16-2013, 06:18 PM
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Not scientific...but I would say North Pinellas homes are selling at 2004 prices.
01-16-2013, 06:32 PM
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Not scientific...but I would say North Pinellas homes are selling at 2004 prices.
Very unscientifically, I would have to say that is close. Although, it is different from one neighborhood to another. It will be interesting to see how much they rise and for how long, depending on the scarcity of homes and the amount of bidding wars. Hopefully, for stability sake, they rise evenly and modestly over time and not like we have seen in the last few bubbles. We don't plan on selling this time to take advantage of the market. This is our forever home. But I know human nature. People are greedy and as soon as they think they can buy a house and treat it like an ATM machine again, they will.
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Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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