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Old 07-26-2013, 11:04 AM
 
Location: North of South, South of North
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One thing is certain. Everyone including cities and states need to live and function within their means. I don't like a lot of things the governor does but at least he doesn't not put more burdens on the masses for the benefits of the few.
Exactly. And I also like what the Mayor of Tampa is doing.....for the most part. Not everything, but overall. He mentioned just yesterday about being "conservative" with the money. Using it wisely and not bloating the local government, even though things are getting much better. I feel very proud to have the governor we do and to have the area's city have the mayor they do. JMO of course.
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Old 07-26-2013, 11:07 AM
 
Location: North of South, South of North
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It most certainly is. To state otherwise means that you have never looked at the financial statements of the project or have ever seen it in person. The City of Tampa and the especially residents of that neighborhood are on the hook for future deficits, since the Federal bucket o' money ran dry.

It is also similar to the current gimmicks of a light rail or "bullet" train (which would have been slower than driving, anyway), as the ridership projections and cost/revenue assumptions were a complete joke.

It's funny how the same people who love spending public money on foolish things will distance themselves from a failed project, while insisting "trust us again -- our next idea will be so much better!"

Yep. The area got lured by free federal money for the project, but in the end the local tax payers pay the price. This happens over and over and people keep falling for it. Hopefully the folks here realize this now. Even the great Mayor of Tampa seems to understand that part. He is stuck between a rock and a hard place with this particular failed transit system now. I feel bad for him.
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Old 07-26-2013, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Downtown St. Pete
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You just hit on a peeve of mine. Math requirements are not strong enough in schools for people to understand this concept. To much push on social science instead of real world math for people to see what the facts of infrastructure are.

Apparently not spelling either.
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Old 07-26-2013, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Places you dream of
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Oh no-- the teachers out again-
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Old 07-26-2013, 01:21 PM
 
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Yep. The area got lured by free federal money for the project, but in the end the local tax payers pay the price. This happens over and over and people keep falling for it. Hopefully the folks here realize this now. Even the great Mayor of Tampa seems to understand that part. He is stuck between a rock and a hard place with this particular failed transit system now. I feel bad for him.
Just like the bullet train, everyone wanted Gov Scott to take the federal money. I'm sure there were lots of strings and the money to keep it running. Everyone just wants everything as long as someone else pays for it.
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Old 07-26-2013, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Middle Tennessee
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Just like the bullet train, everyone wanted Gov Scott to take the federal money. I'm sure there were lots of strings and the money to keep it running. Everyone just wants everything as long as someone else pays for it.
Bulls eye. Right on target. And knowing where the feds get the money to start with is what is so often over looked.
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Old 07-26-2013, 01:55 PM
 
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.........you were correct.

Classic example of why mass transit simple will not work in Tampa Bay.


Tampa's streetcar running into financial trouble - WFLA-TV News Channel 8

"if the streetcar line closes, the city of Tampa will have to repay 31-million dollars to the federal government that was used for construction.

Suarez says, "Until we find a way of funding it from another source instead besides just the endowment and some of the assessments from the money we get from the port and the city, we're never going to be a successful streetcar system."
That's because there's nobody going anywhere within this city. Its too dead. The people are in the suburbs. PT should be where the people are.
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Old 07-26-2013, 02:11 PM
 
Location: North of South, South of North
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That's because there's nobody going anywhere within this city. Its too dead. The people are in the suburbs. PT should be where the people are.
I think you have a very valid point about the city. First you need to create interest in being in the city more, THEN work on public transit. Not build public transit and then say they will come. I think the mayor is doing one heck of a job trying to make Tampa (more downtown) a place to be beyond just working hours. It will take time, but I think he is getting there.

Great post PhotoProIP! JMO of course.
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Old 07-26-2013, 02:27 PM
 
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I think you have a very valid point about the city. First you need to create interest in being in the city more, THEN work on public transit. Not build public transit and then say they will come. I think the mayor is doing one heck of a job trying to make Tampa (more downtown) a place to be beyond just working hours. It will take time, but I think he is getting there.

Great post PhotoProIP! JMO of course.
This thing with "built it and they'll come" us BS, and a huge gamble with tax payers money!
I'm all for PT but only if it works, and is time sensitive, othewise I have no desire to spend hours in it, or wating for it.
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Old 07-26-2013, 02:40 PM
 
Location: North of South, South of North
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This thing with "built it and they'll come" us BS, and a huge gamble with tax payers money!
I'm all for PT but only if it works, and is time sensitive, othewise I have no desire to spend hours in it, or wating for it.
I hear ya and I'm with you....except I personally don't want to use it. That's why I would prefer a very slow, limited and targeted approach instead. Have them prove it works here a little bit at a time, before going all out. JMO of course.
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