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Obviously, u don't get it. Everyone that is accused of something doesn't mean that they are guilty. However some of what you say may be true. This story was very vague in detail and if you look at the arrest report like I did, obviously there was only one picture according to the charge. How can were say weather it was a video or a picture. How can we say if it was downloaded or sent to or by him.... How do we know the character of this young man? Are you a Christian? If you are then maybe you should be reminded of something....Matthew 7
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
So before you go trying to put everyone in the same category then you should consider that each individual is different and something's maybe similar but not always the same
First- nowhere in my post did I mention anyone but the puppeteer-my post was general... but that this type of crime, in my own opinion is worthy frying them in their own oil, but I have no hell or heaven to put anyone in. God makes the final call. If I make a conclusion, it is maybe because I have facts, vs news media to judge from, and you are in turn judging me with out know what I may do for a living. There are more hurting childrenin this area, that you could phantom, my defense is for them.
I apologize if you were offended..I am in no way trying judge u...my comment is to not make any judgements without knowing all the facts which none of us may never have. However, is it fair to place everyone under the same umbrella? I do know this...that this "victim" could very well be the cause of why he is in this position in the first place. I understand that children need to be protected but what about the young teenage children who make the passes at these teachers and then go out and talk about what they did. Someone in there right mind would defiantly make it known to an administrative or law enforcement officer whether they now all the details or not. I'm just looking at it from the view of normally when people are busted for these types of crimes, it's usually 100s of pictures or videos downloaded. That is a sickness....however it is the total opposite with this young man. It's one count which means to me that there is only one picture. How he got it? Who knows? I just know with using common sense that this is not like what we see when an arrest has been made talking about child porn.....and lastly...do u consider a 16, 17' or 18 year old a child? I think that in this day and age that that age bracket clearly know what the should and shouldn't be doing. They know right from wrong.
To answer the question a child is a child until 18 because it is the law, teachers get trained, if ever anyone sent a pict for any reason that was NOT proper, the first call is to the police,,, why? not to get the kid in trouble, but who knows how far that same picture went? ... and possibly they can avoid it from going viral. Yes you protect yourself as the adult,,, by calling, but possibly also might end up potecting the child. The teachers knows what to do- if they are being framed in some way. Gals fall in love daily with older men, boys to women etc. - but they are kids never the less, and even now they get in legal trouble for sexting. What if his one picture constituded of a child say- 3 yrs old? would that make you rethink? If you do not know or have knowledge of all of the facts, take theside of the child because they cannot protect themselves! Teens may act like 32, but still not adults.
Until an investigation proves it was not their fault, and n these cases, children come first. Also tell me, how many of those have you seen or heard that were in the end innocent of all charges? I am not in anyway offended, my fight is for them.
Well I think with today's technology that if the picture was sent to anyone else then they would have found that out. And actually two weeks ago in the TBT times, they reported about a band director at lakewood high school who received 5 years probation on an offense and another charge was dropped altogether. Not many are completely innocent but their is a small percentage of ppl who are. I guess what I'm saying is that protecting the children is of course priority number one but sense we don't know everything about the case then don't hang the alleged teacher yet. The picture very well could have been altered to look like a three year old but I can't see that with this particular case. Those of whom who had hundreds and thousands of images, I would bet that they would be the one to find that type of material.
And I would have to disagree with your comment that children can't protect themselves. Your statement is true in the fact that maybe some child who is 14 or younger may not be able to but any child that is 15 and a sophomore in high school should know better than to mess with teachers in that way. And parents should be watching what takes place in there children's phones, computers, etc. so that this can be further prevented. I don't think 14 or younger should have a phone anyway much less MyFace and SpaceBook....
So while your statement is true in someways, it still isn't the always the teachers fault and parents should step up to help protect their children even if that includes invading their "privacy"I don't know you but if u had or have children, would u let them text at random pictures to any and everyone or not watch what they are doing on the Internet? Not in my house....kids have no privacy. Until their able to pay their on bills and feed themselves then there is going to be permit era and I'm going to check at random what they are doing if technology is involved. The schools can't protect 2000 plus students with a faculty of 140 teachers administrators and custodians.
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ST. PETERSBURG — A former Lakewood High School band teacher has pleaded guilty to child abuse and received a sentence of five years probation.
Raphael McLean, 30, originally was charged with lewd or lascivious behavior after police accused him of groping a 15-year-old student in the band room after wrestling her to the ground. Instead, he pleaded guilty to the reduced charge.
At about the same time McLean was accused in this case in 2010, he also was charged with lewd and lascivious battery on a different 15-year-old girl. He went to trial on that case in 2012, but the jury could not reach a verdict. Although investigators later found McLean's semen in his band office, an adult guidance counselor testified it was because the two of them had sex there.
Jury can't reach decision in sex case against former Lakewood band director More than a Year ago. Prosecutors drop case against band director accused of having sex with student 8 Months ago.
That case was later dropped after the victim moved out of state and refused to cooperate with prosecutors.
Now in this the charges were dropped...because the victim refused to cooperate. Why do you think that is? I'd say its because the girl wanted it to happen and she knew that she would be caught lying is she went to trial.
ST. PETERSBURG — A former Lakewood High School band teacher has pleaded guilty to child abuse and received a sentence of five years probation.
Raphael McLean, 30, originally was charged with lewd or lascivious behavior after police accused him of groping a 15-year-old student in the band room after wrestling her to the ground. Instead, he pleaded guilty to the reduced charge.
At about the same time McLean was accused in this case in 2010, he also was charged with lewd and lascivious battery on a different 15-year-old girl. He went to trial on that case in 2012, but the jury could not reach a verdict. Although investigators later found McLean's semen in his band office, an adult guidance counselor testified it was because the two of them had sex there.
Jury can't reach decision in sex case against former Lakewood band director More than a Year ago. Prosecutors drop case against band director accused of having sex with student 8 Months ago.
That case was later dropped after the victim moved out of state and refused to cooperate with prosecutors.
Now in this the charges were dropped...because the victim refused to cooperate. Why do you think that is? I'd say its because the girl wanted it to happen and she knew that she would be caught lying is she went to trial.
I cannot fault you for making an observation only by what the media has to say. They do not know all the facts of a case, as much is NOT made public, specially when it comes to a minor. I will tell you that in many cases the young adult is uncooperative, even if there is actual proof that they have been beat, raped, drugged and sold as an animals. They shut down and have huge trust issues. I have grands- even a great grand so been there twice, and I agree, No privacy until you pay your own bills, BUT alot of homes do not have this kind of parenting. You are on the side of the adult and blame the children or even thier parents, that is wrong. I ask you did you not make mistakes at 15, 17? You do not agree, that a 16 yr old cannot protect themselves ? A sophmore should know better- really? Were you the perfect child with the perfect parents in a perfect world? Many kids today are looking for love, approval, self worth in the worst possible way- they follow the trends, they bully or get bullied, they want to fit in...they need to be validated. Your values, are not a reality for many these days. I want to to ask your kids what they think. Maybe they can shed some light of what they see everyday.
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Well I think with today's technology that if the picture was sent to anyone else then they would have found that out. And actually two weeks ago in the TBT times, they reported about a band director at lakewood high school who received 5 years probation on an offense and another charge was dropped altogether. Not many are completely innocent how do you know that? are you not judging now? but their is a small percentage of ppl who are. do you have a figure for this?I guess what I'm saying is that protecting the children is of course priority number one but sense we don't know everything about the case then don't hang the alleged teacher yet. I agree The picture very well could have been altered to look like a three year old but I can't see that with this particular case. Those of whom who had hundreds and thousands of images, I would bet that they would be the one to find that type of material.
And I would have to disagree with your comment that children can't protect themselves. they cant when there are manipulative adults aroundYour statement is true in the fact that maybe some child who is 14 or younger may not be able to but any child that is 15 and a sophomore in high school should know better than to mess with teachers in that way. are you saying a child can't become obsessed at that age? lots of adults are, and children into puberty get the same feelings without the experience/moral training and sometimes supportAnd parents should be watching what takes place in there children's phones, computers, etc. so that this can be further prevented.thats a tough call, we want our kids to be independent but safe, access to knowledge but free from access to bad things, its just impossible today, look at this site, not full of bad content, but I bet there are some prowlers on here, who would take more than just a little investigation I don't think 14 or younger should have a phone anyway much less MyFace and SpaceBook....i agree but thats not how it is those of us who have gone throught the teen years lately and have them coming find it hard to keep them away. its the new way they communicate, I dont like it so we try to make them safe, not all children have that oversight. Doesn't make them the criminal in this, almost always the victim
So while your statement is true in someways, it still isn't the always the teachers fault and parents should step up to help protect their children even if that includes invading their "privacy"I don't know you but if u had or have children, would u let them text at random pictures to any and everyone or not watch what they are doing on the Internet? Not in my house....kids have no privacy. that is sadUntil their able to pay their on bills and feed themselves then there is going to be permit era and I'm going to check at random what they are doing if technology is involved. you will just drive them underground my experience is that the kids know lots more than we do when it comes to technology and how to use it.The schools can't protect 2000 plus students with a faculty of 140 teachers administrators and custodians.
Raphael McLean, 30, originally was charged with lewd or lascivious behavior after police accused him of groping a 15-year-old student in the band room after wrestling her to the ground. Instead, he pleaded guilty to the reduced charge.
At about the same time McLean was accused in this case in 2010, he also was charged with lewd and lascivious battery on a different 15-year-old girl. He went to trial on that case in 2012, but the jury could not reach a verdict. Although investigators later found McLean's semen in his band office, an adult guidance counselor testified it was because the two of them had sex there.
Jury can't reach decision in sex case against former Lakewood band director More than a Year ago. Prosecutors drop case against band director accused of having sex with student 8 Months ago.
That case was later dropped after the victim moved out of state and refused to cooperate with prosecutors
Now in this the charges were dropped...because the victim refused to cooperate. Why do you think that is? I'd say its because the girl wanted it to happen and she knew that she would be caught lying is she went to trial.or maybe, not being judgemental here, she had already had enough trauma from the fallout and the family had moved out of state to get away from the whole situation. I think that is most likely the reason, rather than lying. The fact is that even if she wanted it to happen - your words, it was still illegal, he was still a teacher in a position of power and trust so in my opinion he got off with that one
How would anyone know what actually took place. Then it's a single count on top of that. How do we know if the "victim" sent it to him or not? Then to go so far as to say this man deserves to go to hell is senseless. What about liars, and idolaters, and blasphemers. Everyone has lied before. What makes them any different. And how do you know if this young man just had bad judgement in this situation. These young girls of today don't care and most times provoke the person who they prey upon. How can a teenage girl be a victim if she does that?
Let me rephrase, if he is indeed guilty of being a pedophile there is a place in hell for him. My opinion on that wont change. My daughter was the victim of a pedophile who is now serving 29 yrs 5 mo and 25 days without the chance for parole for what he did to her so I suppose I am very bias.
(quote ))Not many are completely innocent how do you know that? are you not judging now?.
As jobs now are very stringent on what you post on FB, Twitter and other public media, etc. . Have you ever considered that I am in a position that could relates to all this? I have to be prudent and leave it there.
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