Wesley chapel Grove movies shooting (Spring Hill, Port Charlotte: nursing, snow, hospital)

[ChuteTheMall]

Originally Posted by justNancy

In any case, the judge apparently felt that this so-called hearsay was enough to keep Reeves behind bars without posting bail.

The judge can not admit that the public outcry, the publicity, and the media circus had any influence on this bail decision...but it's pretty obvious.

[justNancy]

Originally Posted by ChuteTheMall

The judge can not admit that the public outcry, the publicity, and the media circus had any influence on this bail decision...but it's pretty obvious.

Really? If it's so obvious he's being pressured by public opinion, then why was Zimmerman granted bail? If I recall, he was granted $150,000 bail. I don't see any marches or protests in the street. That shooting certainly got a lot more media attention and it was definitely more political.

Maybe the judge listened to the 7 eyewitnesses who testified and made his decision based on what he heard from an off-duty Deputy Sheriff and Air Force veteran who had no motive to lie about what they saw and heard.

[bentlebee]

Originally Posted by justNancy

I guess we're not on the same page here. Yes, I know this is only a bond hearing. I also know what hearsay is, but AFAIK it's up to the judge to determine what will or won't be allowed at trial. IIRC there was plenty of what you are calling "hearsay" testimony at the Casey Anthony trial. Remember Kristol Holloway? She didn't know Casey or had any evidence about the baby's death. In fact, we don't know if she was really involved with George Anthony, but she was a witness for the defense. Her only testimony was about what she was allegedly told by George Anthony.

The 2 men to which I referred were both in the theater at the time of the shooting. Why would testifying about what they saw be considered hearsay? The witnesses in the Zimmerman trial talked about what they thought they heard. In fact, it was dark and raining, and most of the witnesses were inside their homes, so nobody really saw much, except one man who later changed his story. Still, they all testified and were cross-examined.

When Mark Turner said he never saw Oulson strike Reeves, he is speaking as an eyewitness. Why would his testimony be considered hearsay and not be allowed at trial when he was in the theater and saw/heard what happened? Derek Friedhoff was only a few feet from Oulson and stated he heard bickering between the 2 men and testified to what he saw & heard. There were a lot less reliable witnesses during the Zimmerman trial who weren't even sure what they heard.

In any case, the judge apparently felt that this so-called hearsay testimony was enough to keep Reeves behind bars without posting bail.

If look away for a second you may have missed the strike if that was what happened...

If you watch tv and look to the side you can just have missed something that someone else will tell you and you haven't seen it...sometimes the hosts on TV even say " watch clearly and you will see it"

[ChuteTheMall]

Originally Posted by justNancy

Really? If it's so obvious he's being pressured by public opinion, then why was Zimmerman granted bail? If I recall, he was granted $150,000 bail. I don't see any marches or protests in the street. That shooting certainly got a lot more media attention and it was definitely more political.

Maybe the judge listened to the 7 eyewitnesses who testified and made his decision based on what he heard from an off-duty Deputy Sheriff and Air Force veteran who had no motive to lie about what they saw and heard.

Aware of public opinion is different from being actually pressured by it. Thousands of nationwide demonstrations resulted from the Zimmerman case, the whole world was watching.

Remember that George Zimmerman was not initially charged by the police, who recognized his injuries and that this shooting was self-defense, and sent him home (IIRC). The national media and civil rights groups then created an uproar, demonstrations and riots seemed imminent, the chief of police cost his job, and the entire world took notice.
No judge today can operate in a vacuum, unaware of these forces. Especially in Florida.

I think in times past Reeves would have easily been released on bail, due to his record, flight risk, etc.
But the outcry over Zimmerman made all involved with Reeves handle things a bit differently than the Pre-Zimmerman world.

Police initially declined to arrest Zimmerman, citing Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law, which allows people to use deadly force when they believe they are in danger of getting killed or suffering great bodily harm.
The lack of an arrest led thousands to march in rallies in Sanford and around the nation to demand Zimmerman's arrest and criticize investigators. The public outrage forced the Sanford police chief and regularly assigned prosecutor to step aside.
Gov. Rick Scott appointed Angela Corey as special prosecutor, and Corey charged Zimmerman on April 11.---http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/20/us-usa-florida-shooting-idUSBRE83J0JT20120420

That shooting occurred on February 26, and George Zimmerman was not even charged until April 11.
That won't be repeated in this case, the right to presumption of innocence and to reasonable bail before trial in Florida are gone, thanks to the circus in Sanford. Is Reeves a flight risk? Is he expected to kill again?

If the judge refused bail only because he thought Reeves was guilty, instead of all the other usual factors, then why have a trial at all?

[The b8nk]

I was at the mall yesterday (Citrus Park) and it just seems everyone is on edge. It just feels like people are weary of each other and waiting for "something to happen". Whether it is to use their guns or get shot, that Im not sure of...anyone else get this vibe lately while in public?

[ChuteTheMall]

Originally Posted by The b8nk

I was at the mall yesterday (Citrus Park) and it just seems everyone is on edge. It just feels like people are weary of each other and waiting for "something to happen". Whether it is to use their guns or get shot, that Im not sure of...anyone else get this vibe lately while in public?

I don't see anyone throwing popcorn, bullies are afraid to mess with senior citizens, and texting in theaters is out of style.

[verysadsad]

Originally Posted by The b8nk

I was at the mall yesterday (Citrus Park) and it just seems everyone is on edge. It just feels like people are weary of each other and waiting for "something to happen". Whether it is to use their guns or get shot, that Im not sure of...anyone else get this vibe lately while in public?

I would believe it in Florida. You've got one of the worst economies with a very armed and unforgiving populace. It really isn't like this in other places, although the entire nation is decaying rapidly.

Washington is powerless to help and so the citizens only refuge is the state. We need a new national capital and stronger state government with an interest in their people. That will likely mean a weaker Union, but at least people can live and survive.

[Spring Hillian]

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Originally Posted by verysadsad

I would believe it in Florida. You've got one of the worst economies with a very armed and unforgiving populace. It really isn't like this in other places, although the entire nation is decaying rapidly.

Washington is powerless to help and so the citizens only refuge is the state. We need a new national capital and stronger state government with an interest in their people. That will likely mean a weaker Union, but at least people can live and survive.

[Spring Hillian]

What on earth does the economy of FL have to do with this matter?

Originally Posted by verysadsad

I would believe it in Florida. You've got one of the worst economies with a very armed and unforgiving populace. It really isn't like this in other places, although the entire nation is decaying rapidly.

Washington is powerless to help and so the citizens only refuge is the state. We need a new national capital and stronger state government with an interest in their people. That will likely mean a weaker Union, but at least people can live and survive.

[justNancy]

Originally Posted by The b8nk

I was at the mall yesterday (Citrus Park) and it just seems everyone is on edge. It just feels like people are weary of each other and waiting for "something to happen". Whether it is to use their guns or get shot, that Im not sure of...anyone else get this vibe lately while in public?

No, not at all. Yesterday I took a walk in the park and people were just enjoying the sunshine, playing with their dogs. I'm currently visiting Saint Simons Island, about an hour north of Jacksonville, but I've lived in Florida for over 20 years. I spoke to friends in Englewood, Port Charlotte and Sarasota over the weekend and all they talked about was the beautiful weather (and the Olympics!) Glad I don't live in Tampa if this is the way people feel, because there will continue to be more shootings just because people are "wary" of one another.