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Wow. In Port Raunchy that's like having two or three sex offenders on every neighborhood street! Brooksville isn't much better, and neither is Homosassa. How disgusting.
I wonder what draws sex offenders to those particular areas. Cost of living? Less restrictions?
There was like 10 or 12 in my hood at one time. People just don't know how trashy it is in Portrichey.
In the community where I own a home there are 3 sex registered sex offenders and we don't know how many who haven't been caught since I have heard a police officer once stating that on average a sed offender prior to getting caught will have offended approx. 7 x.
The houses in that community range from approx. $129,000 to $375,000 and one of the most expensive house was bought by a sex offender and actually all 3 are home owners and not renters!
In our profession as property managers we only once got an application from a sex offender who disclosed it upfront and would have been able to rent through us since the owner didn't have an issue with a person who was 18 and was convicted due to the parents of the girl he now is married with and has kids with, went to the cops since he was 18 and she was 15, almost 16.
Keep in mind that many Counties have programs for home buyers who don't have enough money for a down payment and they can get an interest free 2nd mortgage to be able to pay for the down payment. Counties don't care if the person is a sex offender, murderer, rapist, etc....they don't do background checks so they will help anyone to buy the house which may be next to you.
I wonder what draws sex offenders to those particular areas. Cost of living? Less restrictions?
Port Richey's ratio is hard to imagine. I don't know what draws sex offenders there in such numbers but certainly what restricts them from living in other areas are often facilities of a community which speak to the quality of life found there: parks & recreation, schools, etc.
Because all of Florida (one of 20something such states) restricts offender residency to further than 1000 ft from anywhere children congregate and then individual municipalities might have their own ordinances further restricting.
For instance, according to random googled website Where Can I Find Information About Sexual Offender/Predators Residency Requirements? Hillsborough County and the City of Tampa have identical municipal ordinances relating to sexual offenders and predators. These ordinances prohibit predators from living at the same address. They also prohibit predators from residing “in a multi-family dwelling, two-family dwelling or duplex, triplex or quadraplex, manufactured or mobile home in a mobile home park, townhouse, apartment or condominium in which another predatory individual resides.”
Additionally, the county and the city have established safety zones where offenders and predators may not be within or loiter just outside of. These zones are defined as 300 feet from schools, “playgrounds and playfacilities, YMCA and YWCA facilities and Boys and Girls Club’s facilities,libraries, parks, youth sports facilities, youth campgrounds, skating parks and rinks, public swimming pools, amusement parks, and public zoos … day care centers, video arcades, transient carnivals, transient zoos, or school busstops.”
And Hillsborough County doesn't just protect children from sexual offenders, but the elderly as well. For instance...
TOP FIVE TAMPA BAY LOCATIONS WITH THE LEAST AMOUNT OF SEX OFFENDERS PER CAPITA JUNE 18, 2014:
The ratio of number of residents in Temple Terrace to the number of sex offenders is 3,149 to 1
The ratio of number of residents in Tierra Verde to the number of sex offenders is 3,721 to 1
The ratio of number of residents in South Pasadena to the number of sex offenders is 4,983 to 1
The ratio of number of residents in New Tampa zip code 33647 to the number of sex offenders is 5,933 to 1
The ratio of number of residents in Trinity to the number of sex offenders is 10,907 to 1
(Note: Higher values mean more residents per sex offender)
Bottom Five Tampa Bay locations with the MOST amount of sex offenders as of June 18, 2014
The ratio of number of residents in Port Richey to the number of sex offenders is 26 to 1
The ratio of number of residents in Brooksville to the number of sex offenders is 49 to 1
The ratio of number of residents in Homosassa to the number of sex offenders is 53 to 1
The ratio of number of residents in St Petersburg zip code 33714 to the number of sex offenders is 78 to 1
The ratio of number of residents in Dade City to the number of sex offenders is 87 to 1
There is only an exception to that. People who were convicted decades ago like one registered sex offender in my community has no other restriction than to register and according to his supervisor he falls under the old law and registration is one of them. He can sit at the play yard, go to the pool and live close to a school, but can't be involved with trick and treat, etc....he can attend street BBQ where small kids are attending, etc.
Very shocking to learn that info when you can see him registered for a crime with a young kid but it was in the 80ties in CA.
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Originally Posted by housingcrashsurvivor
Port Richey's ratio is hard to imagine. I don't know what draws sex offenders there in such numbers but certainly what restricts them from living in other areas are often facilities of a community which speak to the quality of life found there: parks & recreation, schools, etc.
Because all of Florida (one of 20something such states) restricts offender residency to further than 1000 ft from anywhere children congregate and then individual municipalities might have their own ordinances further restricting.
For instance, according to random googled website Where Can I Find Information About Sexual Offender/Predators Residency Requirements? Hillsborough County and the City of Tampa have identical municipal ordinances relating to sexual offenders and predators. These ordinances prohibit predators from living at the same address. They also prohibit predators from residing “in a multi-family dwelling, two-family dwelling or duplex, triplex or quadraplex, manufactured or mobile home in a mobile home park, townhouse, apartment or condominium in which another predatory individual resides.”
Additionally, the county and the city have established safety zones where offenders and predators may not be within or loiter just outside of. These zones are defined as 300 feet from schools, “playgrounds and playfacilities, YMCA and YWCA facilities and Boys and Girls Club’s facilities,libraries, parks, youth sports facilities, youth campgrounds, skating parks and rinks, public swimming pools, amusement parks, and public zoos … day care centers, video arcades, transient carnivals, transient zoos, or school busstops.”
And Hillsborough County doesn't just protect children from sexual offenders, but the elderly as well. For instance...
TOP FIVE TAMPA BAY LOCATIONS WITH THE LEAST AMOUNT OF SEX OFFENDERS PER CAPITA JUNE 18, 2014:
The ratio of number of residents in Temple Terrace to the number of sex offenders is 3,149 to 1
The ratio of number of residents in Tierra Verde to the number of sex offenders is 3,721 to 1
The ratio of number of residents in South Pasadena to the number of sex offenders is 4,983 to 1
The ratio of number of residents in New Tampa zip code 33647 to the number of sex offenders is 5,933 to 1
The ratio of number of residents in Trinity to the number of sex offenders is 10,907 to 1
(Note: Higher values mean more residents per sex offender)
Bottom Five Tampa Bay locations with the MOST amount of sex offenders as of June 18, 2014
The ratio of number of residents in Port Richey to the number of sex offenders is 26 to 1
The ratio of number of residents in Brooksville to the number of sex offenders is 49 to 1
The ratio of number of residents in Homosassa to the number of sex offenders is 53 to 1
The ratio of number of residents in St Petersburg zip code 33714 to the number of sex offenders is 78 to 1
The ratio of number of residents in Dade City to the number of sex offenders is 87 to 1
So, I guess the top locations for sex offenders have easier ordinances than the places with lesser numbers. I don't understand then why communities like Brooksville and Port Richey don't tighten their ordinances? I mean, who wants to be known for being the sex offender capital of the Tampa Bay area? It's just going to make those areas even less desireable than they already are. I can tell you that as a family with children still living at home there is NO WAY I would choose to live in an area where there are two to three sex offenders living on my street.
Well, on a more positive note, maybe it's not a bad idea to have high concentrations of sex offenders in one area. At least people with young children will now know what areas to avoid when looking for places to live.
So, I guess the top locations for sex offenders have easier ordinances than the places with lesser numbers. I don't understand then why communities like Brooksville and Port Richey don't tighten their ordinances? I mean, who wants to be known for being the sex offender capital of the Tampa Bay area? It's just going to make those areas even less desireable than they already are. I can tell you that as a family with children still living at home there is NO WAY I would choose to live in an area where there are two to three sex offenders living on my street.
Well, on a more positive note, maybe it's not a bad idea to have high concentrations of sex offenders in one area. At least people with young children will now know what areas to avoid when looking for places to live.
Sex Offenders are part of our population and have the same traits aside from their sexual perversion, meaning the same percentage are blue collar workers/white collar workers/business owners, with a felony is really hard to get a high paying job or a decent paying job, with a sex offender record that carries a heavier stigma it would be even worse, therefore their income would be severely affected aside from small business owners which would be a small segment, even them i imagine once their customers find out their business would suffer as well. I think that's why you see a heavy concentration in low income areas such as NPR, they just dont have the financial mobility that other people have. I also dont see how towns can have their own restrictions on SO, I guess they do as a previous posters stated but wouldnt towns just outright ban them if they had that flexibility, I dont know I am conflicted on this end, I realize the severity of their crimes and the relatively high recidivism rate, why let them out if they cant live anywhere or you going to want to scarlet letter them, If you say they cant be anywhere with children where does that leave them? and if you are going to start punishing people for crimes they havent committed yet, but are likely to, that kind of preemptive policing does not sit well with me but neither does child sex abuse so its hard issue to gauge.
There is only an exception to that. People who were convicted decades ago...
I was not aware of any grandfathering under prior laws--though I've only looked more closely at this issue since I first took a class in social work and now with this thread--so I'd have to study what you say to understand it, if it is so. If you have a direct link to official information, I'd appreciate that.
Googling just now, I did find something which might relate to what you say here
A sexual predator is any person who has been convicted or is found to have committed, regardless of adjudication, or who plead nolo contendere or guilty to any of the following offenses which occurred ON or AFTER October 1, 1993:(and then lists various statutes &)
The "Second Strike"
Predator Qualifying Offense
A sexual predator is any person who has been convicted or is found to have committed On or After October 1, 1993 any offense, regardless of adjudication, or who pleas nolo contendere or guilty to any of these offenses *: (again, then listing the statutes)
But it then qualifies all that by saying:
Provided that:
The Offender has not received, for the qualifying offense(s), a pardon for any felony or similar relief from another jurisdiction
A conviction of the felony or similar law of another jurisdiction has not been set aside in any postconviction proceeding.
etc.
Also, I think I understand that if a facility which by its nature restricts sexual offender residency within whatever parameter is set by ordinance, that restriction would apply to any new sexual offender from moving in, not to any offender already living there before the new place was established, but I'd have to double check that.
In other words, you wouldn't be able to push someone out already there by relocating a child care center or park near them but were such a facility built there then offender numbers would eventually decline by attrition ie numbers would not grow and would shrink as offenders moved or died off.
So, I guess the top locations for sex offenders have easier ordinances than the places with lesser numbers. I don't understand then why communities like Brooksville and Port Richey don't tighten their ordinances?
You've misunderstood how the mechanism works. It is not merely a matter of ordinance, also, ordinances must be constitutional. So you can't just say by law without a properly weighted reason that a certain person is not allowed in a certain area because we value nondiscrimination and freedom of movement in the United States of America.
The higher or lower ratios of an area is not simply a matter of their individual ordinances. As far as I know, Temple Terrace has no ordinance which reaches beyond the county's ordinances and yet Temple Terrace and New Tampa have much lower rates of sexual offender residency than do other areas of Hillsborough County. Why if it isn't a difference in ordinances?
This is why I suggest it is a measure of quality of life issues. It is not the ordinance alone which restricts residency, but the facilities, the infrastructure, upon which the ordinances apply. That is the mechanism.
So you have an ordinance which states no sexual offenders allowed within 1000 feet of a park where children might congregate, then if you live in an area where provides its citizenry with lots of parks, schools, etc., you have less sexual offenders living there. Again, it isn't just the ordinance, it is the infrastructure providing quality of life.
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The person I refer to and is a registered sex offender and shown online with the sex offender list was convicted in 1986 and works as a communication installer of phone lines, internet install, etc...so he can go to anyone's home with kids without anyone doing anything.
The police department referred me to the sex offenders unit who gave me the supervisors name and after speaking to that person I was informed about the rules for people under the old law who "only" have to be registered and will kept an eye on so they know where they live but they can move across a school and sit at your or my kids play yard, pool, etc.!
I was shocked to say the least....especially since child protective services removed all the grand children from that house after his adult child moved back in with her kids...so it clearly showed that there is an issues and the entire family has multiple convictions but seems to be able to buy a house in the mid $ 300K and nothing can be done. Only tenants can be refused with a background check if the owner doesn't take a sex offender but an owner is not bounded by that ....all 3 sex offenders in my community are home owners and 2 of them have restrictions but still pretty close to the pool. At the time when home owners asked questions we were told about one of them that he "only" was caught for kids porn on his computer and not for physical harming a kid but we were also told that didn't mean he hadn't done that but it meant he was not caught for that.
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Originally Posted by housingcrashsurvivor
I was not aware of any grandfathering under prior laws--though I've only looked more closely at this issue since I first took a class in social work and now with this thread--so I'd have to study what you say to understand it, if it is so. If you have a direct link to official information, I'd appreciate that.
Googling just now, I did find something which might relate to what you say here
A sexual predator is any person who has been convicted or is found to have committed, regardless of adjudication, or who plead nolo contendere or guilty to any of the following offenses which occurred ON or AFTER October 1, 1993:(and then lists various statutes &)
The "Second Strike"
Predator Qualifying Offense
A sexual predator is any person who has been convicted or is found to have committed On or After October 1, 1993 any offense, regardless of adjudication, or who pleas nolo contendere or guilty to any of these offenses *: (again, then listing the statutes)
But it then qualifies all that by saying:
Provided that:
The Offender has not received, for the qualifying offense(s), a pardon for any felony or similar relief from another jurisdiction
A conviction of the felony or similar law of another jurisdiction has not been set aside in any postconviction proceeding.
etc.
Also, I think I understand that if a facility which by its nature restricts sexual offender residency within whatever parameter is set by ordinance, that restriction would apply to any new sexual offender from moving in, not to any offender already living there before the new place was established, but I'd have to double check that.
In other words, you wouldn't be able to push someone out already there by relocating a child care center or park near them but were such a facility built there then offender numbers would eventually decline by attrition ie numbers would not grow and would shrink as offenders moved or died off.
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