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Old 02-14-2008, 11:49 AM
 
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... and that's just only the beginning of what you are going to encounter if you move to Tampa. I own a business and we had an office in Downtown Tampa for about 2 years. At first, I relocated from Los Angeles, CA to take charge of the opening, hiring, getting the office ready, etc

Initially my impression was that Tampa had the feeling of a small town, but I thought it was because I had been living in Los Angeles and NY for a while, but I was pretty impressed with the combination of a cute and nice downtown skyline, water channels and the nearby Harbour Island home community with nice housing, affordable luxury apartments and 1/2 mile proximity to Downtown. Basically you could live on an island two minutes away about from your office in Downtown and even walk to work.

But that was just the "outsider's experience" that everyone may get when visiting Tampa.

While conducting job interviews from the other side of the table (hiring), we saw things we never believed could be real in this day and age, 85% of the candidates not only looked unpresentable but they actually looked as if they were coming from the welfare agency. From visible Tattoos, to tongue piercings and with poor-fitting clothing, absolutely no manners, and the worse part is that they had Bachelors Degrees in their resumes!!. Most showed up late to the job interviews or just "didn't show up" at all for an over 50k administrative office job in a city where the average salary is around 30-35k.

We called the Tampa Chamber of Commerce and they said that the reason for this could be the that Tampa has a very low unemployment percentage in the area but to be honest I just don't believe it, I think that place is a swamp-hole.

Did you notice the prevalence of dozens of highly visible Strip Bars and Adult Entertainment stores in that city? They are on every major street throughout the city - even on Dale Mabry NEXT to WALT-MART!! with huge signs saying FREE lap DANCE Specials. You can drive almost in "any direction" out of Downtown Tampa and you'll see a sign or a billboard saying "NUDE GIRLS HERE" or "XXX video Store" and of course HOOTERS, since they were founded in Clear Water, near Tampa.

The city is trying to sue the Strip Bars to move them out but its not easy since these places have a lot of cash to pay Lawyers and they just sue the city back. And this culture is influencing youth in this city. Women are "afraid" to go out anywhere because they will be approached as if they were hookers in search of a tip..

I could go on an on of the many reasons why you should NOT move to Tampa or any other nearby cities if you are a normal family or professional planning to interact with locals once there, and if you plan to be active in your community.

RENT first if you are still planning to go there, and see it by yourself. If you buy in this market, then you'll be trapped there since selling is not a choice anymore these days.

I would recommend to you anywhere on the East Coast of Florida, from West Palm Beach to Coral Gables, there are plenty of communities of any types to choose from.
Sounds right for Tampa! That place is a new low for being a Dump!!

 
Old 02-14-2008, 12:04 PM
 
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is only half correct. There are limited industries where one can make enough salary to keep up a decent standard of living, not Anglo gated paradise, just decent. Sometimes life happens and not all of us can do "anything." You can't expect a blind man to drive a bus, similarly there are others who have physical limitations to doing other sorts ofwork. It may not be a true disability. It could be age or an emotional issue that prevents a person from doing meaningful work despite talent and willingness. Sometimes, we find ourselves as square pegs in round holes and it takes a while to get to the right place. Sometimes we get so far into the hole, as bad as it fits, we get stuck and can't get out easily.

All that being said, I think it's true of every city not just Tampa but I think people do come here thinking they'll see a paradise of palm trees and beaches and aren't really prepared for the grungier parts of town. I don't agree about the part about not making it anywhere if you can't make it in Tampa. I've given my reasons above. I will just say that we can't make it in this area with me disabled and my husband trying to teach. The schools here have not hired him but he is in touch with a district elsewhere in the state and they are first of all a better district and second seem interested because unlike here, they may be hiring. The decision is deferred until later in the year. If they hire him, based on his talent, desire and work ethic he can make it. If they have cut backs before he gets tenure, who knows?

Yes, the forum is full of personal opinions. It's not journalism. People are asking questions to get PERSONAL feedback and by getting a variety of that not just Tampa boosterism, individuals can make up their own minds. Had I know about forums a couple of years ago, it's doubtful we'd have come here but trying to survive has eaten up our money. We are going to have to take a big chance with what's left if we want to leave.


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I grew up in Tampa and visit friends from time to time. Having been in most of American's large cities and many small towns I have grown to see diversity as a benefit.

The absence of zoning laws created some interesting neighborhoods in Tampa. Ethic groups clustering together has created some well differentiated neighborhood ambiance.

Many stereotypes of Florida are accurate. Tampa can look chintzy because the streets are lined with shops that all seem to be attempting a "special" look. It is like an endless stream of fast foods and convenience stores and pawn shops and...you name it.

Tampa is an old industrial city in a state filled with tourist cities. Cigars, beer, cans, minerals...mixed with Busch Gardens and a few other tourist attractions. Ybor city.

It is not pristine like Charlotte, N.C.--where there are new malls designed to fit into traditional architecture. Some parts of Tampa are like third-world neighborhoods. But, Hyde Park, Palma Ceia, Davis Island, and of course the gated communities of North Tampa- are competitive with good neighborhoods elsewhere.

Admittedly, Tampa is a mixed bag. Florida does attract retirees and drop-outs, but I'm not sure why you would compare Tampa to other cities unfavorably. It is not Santa Fe, Taos, San Diego or Sedona--but is is just like Los Angeles, Houston, Atlanta, Jacksonville.

You have warm weather, humidity, thunderstorms, palm trees, blue water, vistas, and wonderful ethnic neighborhoods. Cubans, Latins, Italians its great. Sure, if you live in Tampa and don't like to hear Spanish spoken, refuse to learn how wonderful Cuban and Spanish food is--if you want to live in an Anglo-Saxon paradise, you need to move to Boseman, Montana.

America is overrun with crime, lazy people, thugs, drugs, porn shops--it's everywhere. Charleston, S.C is one of the greatest cities in the Northern Hemisphere, but it is hot, humid, and northern Charleston is a good place to get murdered.

The only real criticism I have about Tampa, which applies to most of Florida as well, is the number of transient people you encounter--vacationers, snow-birds, and escapees (people who think they can escape their personal problems amd find a better world in Florida). But, H.B. Plant High School is one of the top 50 high schools in America, so Tampa is not just a dumping ground for unemployables and runaways.

This forum is overwhelmed by over-generalizations and highly biased personal opinions that are construed as factual. Tampa is many things to many different people. I would say if you cannot make a life--find meaning for yourself--in Tampa, you're not going to find it anywhere.

For those who want a city to turn their lives around, remove their depression, turn their careers around, help them find spiritual fulfillment, Tampa is as good as most places.

It is hot, there are not many jobs in manufacturing and technology and hurricane insurance is expensive, but if you can't make it here you can't make it anywhere.
 
Old 02-14-2008, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Lake Oconee, Georgia
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is only half correct. There are limited industries where one can make enough salary to keep up a decent standard of living, not Anglo gated paradise, just decent. Sometimes life happens and not all of us can do "anything." You can't expect a blind man to drive a bus, similarly there are others who have physical limitations to doing other sorts ofwork. It may not be a true disability. It could be age or an emotional issue that prevents a person from doing meaningful work despite talent and willingness. Sometimes, we find ourselves as square pegs in round holes and it takes a while to get to the right place. Sometimes we get so far into the hole, as bad as it fits, we get stuck and can't get out easily.

All that being said, I think it's true of every city not just Tampa but I think people do come here thinking they'll see a paradise of palm trees and beaches and aren't really prepared for the grungier parts of town. I don't agree about the part about not making it anywhere if you can't make it in Tampa. I've given my reasons above. I will just say that we can't make it in this area with me disabled and my husband trying to teach. The schools here have not hired him but he is in touch with a district elsewhere in the state and they are first of all a better district and second seem interested because unlike here, they may be hiring. The decision is deferred until later in the year. If they hire him, based on his talent, desire and work ethic he can make it. If they have cut backs before he gets tenure, who knows?

Yes, the forum is full of personal opinions. It's not journalism. People are asking questions to get PERSONAL feedback and by getting a variety of that not just Tampa boosterism, individuals can make up their own minds. Had I know about forums a couple of years ago, it's doubtful we'd have come here but trying to survive has eaten up our money. We are going to have to take a big chance with what's left if we want to leave.
I'm sorry your having such a hard time, but my question is whether the problems you and your husband have would be easier to solve in Jacksonville? or St.Louis? or Atlanta? Is it about Tampa, or is it about the nature of your problems?

Yes, forums are full of personal opinions. There is a lot of misinformation that passes for fact here. A lot of people present their biases in a manner that is journalistic--as if it were commonly accepted, conventional wisdom or fact-based.

The reason a lot of people don't like Tampa, is because they don't like minorities. They want everyone to speak English; they want biscuits and potatoes; they want Boise, ID with palm trees. If you want Anglo-Saxon, go to Sarasota, if you can afford it. If you want an good mix--of everything--Tampa has that to offer.

We are talking in broad generalizations here; individual problems are going to influence your perspective. If you design software, assemble cars, work as a chemical engineer, etc.--Tampa may not offer you any opportunity.

Now, if you want to work at a fast food restaurant....
 
Old 02-14-2008, 03:11 PM
 
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Talking well

I think you answered your own question. I also wonder the same thing tho. I can't say since hubby isn't certified in all those places and hasn't tried. actually he's looking at ATL. Thing is he went the alternate certification route here in FL and it's not easy going to another state. Not impossible but difficult. Uh, we are considered a minority here even tho our skin is white. WE certainly aren't WASPS. We love diversity. I won't elaborate, if that's ok and we are a bit older. I hope that doesn't make the problem worse. I think it's just not a good area for breaking into teaching. I didn't mean it's not a nice area overall but my husband has had some prejudicial things said in the classroom ranging from kids being stupid to a really serious death threat against our group but aimed at him. This last was written and included hate symbols.

I just want people to have the full picture. I think moving anywhere nowadays without savings is a big mistake. It's almost impossible to get a job long distance and if you can't support yourself after you move while you're looking it can be a disaster. People who post here and think they're going to waltz into a job and make it on $8/hr when we have working homeless are not understanding reality.

quote=Everett;2827532]I'm sorry your having such a hard time, but my question is whether the problems you and your husband have would be easier to solve in Jacksonville? or St.Louis? or Atlanta? Is it about Tampa, or is it about the nature of your problems?

Yes, forums are full of personal opinions. There is a lot of misinformation that passes for fact here. A lot of people present their biases in a manner that is journalistic--as if it were commonly accepted, conventional wisdom or fact-based.

The reason a lot of people don't like Tampa, is because they don't like minorities. They want everyone to speak English; they want biscuits and potatoes; they want Boise, ID with palm trees. If you want Anglo-Saxon, go to Sarasota, if you can afford it. If you want an good mix--of everything--Tampa has that to offer.

We are talking in broad generalizations here; individual problems are going to influence your perspective. If you design software, assemble cars, work as a chemical engineer, etc.--Tampa may not offer you any opportunity.

Now, if you want to work at a fast food restaurant....[/quote]
 
Old 02-14-2008, 05:06 PM
 
Location: Akron, Ohio
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I am not sure if the "waltzing into a job and making it on $8/hr" is directed at me. With all do respect, you have absolutly no idea how much money I have in the bank. I merely was seeking info about jobs, in the manufacturing industry there, for my husband. That is the line of work that he is. I'm not too sure how much you know about that type of job, but I am quite confident that type of work is the same everywhere. The pay sucks when you start, but you can advance over time. I am not ignorant enough to believe that one can make a living anywhere on an $8/hr job. I was only saying that if he could find a job, with that being the minimun pay rate for him, we could make it along with me working as well.

Just out of curiosity, how long have you lived in Tampa? I see that you are from NJ. From your threads, you talk as if you have been in Fl for a lifetime. I also seen a reply from you on the order of northerners are moving to Fl and making things worse. That is kindof a contradictory statement. Don't you think?
 
Old 02-14-2008, 05:30 PM
 
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Default no it wasn't directed at you

Sorry if you took it that way. I was responding to Everett's statement that anyone can make it in Tampa. Because this is Florida, a lot of people think it is the promised land and they can't lose when they come here. There are also a lot of people who post a lot of positive stuff that just is pie in the sky and doesn't help those really needing to know the facts, such as people who have been unemployed for a long time and really in a bind. Teh can't afford to take risks and I just think it's irresponsible and unfair to give them false hope.
I know that the pay on any entry level job is lousy but in this area, you will live not very well at that pay range.
What difference does it make how long I've been in FL . I've been on earth for long enough to have learned a little about life, I hope. I also am relentlessly curious and STUDY things.
I left NJ a long time ago because I couldn't stand the narrow mindedness and lack of curiosity about other places, people and ideas that I found there. Anyway, it's not a contradictory statement because I didn't choose where I was born. I may have had obligations that kept me there far beyond what I wished but when I could get out I did so. Anyway for some strange reason that i can't understand, there was a Southern thread running thru my up bringing so I like the life style here.

My only problem with Northerners here is that they are no longer in the North. I mean this is the South and you either adapt or you will be miserable and manage to spread a fair amount of that misery around. I knew a woman in Charlotte NC who had a license plate "not from here" it was obnoxious. She complained about how she missed NY constantly. I don't want to be around people like that.
Hope that clarifies my position and again I'm sorry if you thought I was aiming at you. Be
lieve me you would have known if I had been. I'm still very "northern" in that way.

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I am not sure if the "waltzing into a job and making it on $8/hr" is directed at me. With all do respect, you have absolutly no idea how much money I have in the bank. I merely was seeking info about jobs, in the manufacturing industry there, for my husband. That is the line of work that he is. I'm not too sure how much you know about that type of job, but I am quite confident that type of work is the same everywhere. The pay sucks when you start, but you can advance over time. I am not ignorant enough to believe that one can make a living anywhere on an $8/hr job. I was only saying that if he could find a job, with that being the minimun pay rate for him, we could make it along with me working as well.

Just out of curiosity, how long have you lived in Tampa? I see that you are from NJ. From your threads, you talk as if you have been in Fl for a lifetime. I also seen a reply from you on the order of northerners are moving to Fl and making things worse. That is kindof a contradictory statement. Don't you think?
 
Old 02-14-2008, 05:32 PM
 
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Oh, BTW Bmoore, I don't have a problem with northerners coming here and contributing to make it a better place, I think you were referring to what I said about snowbirds bringing their jobs here , taking them away from the locals in a tight market and contributing very little back to the local economy.
 
Old 02-14-2008, 05:52 PM
 
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Hello William,
Your post frustrates me immensely, and not for the reason you might be thinking! I am a Telecommunications Geek with 10 years of experience. I am professional, ethical, and am in middle management in my current position. I am trying very hard to relocate to either the Tampa or Ft Lauderdale area and have been sending resume after resume after...with little to no response! I have even stated in my cover letters that I am looking to relocate myself and still nothing! It has been discouraging but now you've given me hope that when I do get down there and get in front of hiring managers, I would have a great chance of securing a postion. Now I must ask, do you have any openings?!?! How about it!
Take Care, Heidi
 
Old 02-15-2008, 06:59 AM
 
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This thread was pretty much done back in January until resurrected. William hasn't posted here since that time so directing post to him is pointless. He doesn't even live in Tampa now.
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Old 02-15-2008, 08:56 AM
 
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Keeper,
Thank you for the info. Wow, I guess it was good riddance Tampa! Oh well, I am still interested in relocating to Tampa ;-)
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