01-06-2016, 05:00 PM
Location: North of South, South of North
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At this point we've all given our opinions and viewpoints, its now time to sit back and see what comes out in the court case where we can base our opinions on what facts come out of the trial.
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01-06-2016, 05:21 PM
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Reeve's coworker's describing how he was to work with
http://www.tampabay.com/news/humanin...-sides/2161618
Reeve's himself knows he made a mistake
Curtis Reeves, Texting-In-Theater Shooting Suspect, Expresses Remorse
What would I of done in Reeves situation ? First of all it would of never happened because in today's world a person texting in a movie theatre before the lights were even dimmed to start the movie wouldn't get me all hot and bothered. (I'm sure we've all been in a theatre and have heard people talking during a movie).
And if it bothered me too much I'd move my seat before I'd leave my wife behind while I went wondering around looking for a manager like a little tattle tale.
And if I had a gun it would take a lot more than someone yelling or throwing popcorn at me to shoot that person.
Reeve's snapped, he knows he did. He admitted himself he messed up and said he should of moved.
01-06-2016, 05:32 PM
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Personally, I have always found it best to avoid any confrontational situations. I would have picked an empty area of the theater to sit in. If someone sat near me and was doing something that annoyed me, I would simply move to another location. I would then have enjoyed the movie, gone home and enjoyed the rest of my life with my wife.
But hey, that's just me and other people may handle things differently.
1000% agree
01-06-2016, 05:32 PM
Location: tampa bay
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Personally, I have always found it best to avoid any confrontational situations. I would have picked an empty area of the theater to sit in. If someone sat near me and was doing something that annoyed me, I would simply move to another location. I would then have enjoyed the movie, gone home and enjoyed the rest of my life with my wife.
But hey, that's just me and other people may handle things differently.
That is the sane and responsible thing to do...
01-06-2016, 09:09 PM
Location: on the edge of Sanity
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Not guilty in a court of law does not mean innocent. Just means the folks doing the prosecuting or defending or the jury might not have done their job.
True. When I was 17 and a freshman in college, I had a poster on the wall (who didn't?) that said "War does not determine who is right, only who is left." I just thought of that poster.
No matter what the verdict is, a man went to the movies and died. He was unarmed, didn't even have a knife, only some popcorn.
I do agree, however, with North Pinellas Guy that we need to wait for the trial to hear the evidence and eyewitness testimony.
What irritates me is how the "age card" is being played. The man isn't much older than I am and could crush me with one of his arms. I don't consider myself to be old and helpless. Anyway, I'm reminded of that scene in "Raiders of the Lost Ark" when Harrison Ford was being challenged by a man brandishing a long sword and he shoots him. The person with the gun always has the advantage.
Here is an article written in 1998 and it still applies today.
[url=http://www.cbsnews.com/news/avoiding-road-rage/]Avoiding Road Rage - CBS News[/url]
"Don't let your pride overtake your rationality. Don't feel you have to "rise" to the challenge. Even if the other driver is at fault, let it go."
This should apply in every situation.
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01-07-2016, 05:43 AM
Location: Spring Hill Florida
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Originally Posted by
jambo101
At this point we've all given our opinions and viewpoints, its now time to sit back and see what comes out in the court case where we can base our opinions on what facts come out of the trial.
yep. trial will be based on facts...
01-07-2016, 05:49 AM
Location: Spring Hill Florida
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so what you are saying is... if someone attacks you, just lay back and relax until its over.
Oulson didnt have popcorn until he snatched it from Reeves.
If you were wearing a gold and diamond necklace and someone came up to you and pulled it off your neck, what would you do?
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True. When I was 17 and a freshman in college, I had a poster on the wall (who didn't?) that said "War does not determine who is right, only who is left." I just thought of that poster.
No matter what the verdict is, a man went to the movies and died. He was unarmed, didn't even have a knife, only some popcorn.
I do agree, however, with North Pinellas Guy that we need to wait for the trial to hear the evidence and eyewitness testimony.
What irritates me is how the "age card" is being played. The man isn't much older than I am and could crush me with one of his arms. I don't consider myself to be old and helpless. Anyway, I'm reminded of that scene in "Raiders of the Lost Ark" when Harrison Ford was being challenged by a man brandishing a long sword and he shoots him. The person with the gun always has the advantage.
Here is an article written in 1998 and it still applies today.
Avoiding Road Rage - CBS News
"Don't let your pride overtake your rationality. Don't feel you have to "rise" to the challenge. Even if the other driver is at fault, let it go."
This should apply in every situation.
01-07-2016, 06:05 AM
Location: Spring Hill Florida
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What those articles tell me is that subordinates didnt like his methods but superiors did.
Maybe he should have moved away from Oulson. He didnt. He got struck. He shot his attacker
instead of beingv subjected to further attack. The laws allow people to defend themsellves.
If Reeves hit Oulson over the head with asteel bar causing brain damage, would that have been a better solution?
Your only solution is to walk away. I recall a guy arguing with another guy when I was a teen. The guy I knew was a pretty much mellow dude and a pacifist. He turned and walked away. The other guy picked up a street wastepaper basket and threw it. It knocked him flat on his face. Broken jaw, cracked facial bones. That was the last time he walked away
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Reeve's coworker's describing how he was to work with
Closer look at Curtis Reeves shows theater shooter's two sides | Tampa Bay Times
Reeve's himself knows he made a mistake
Curtis Reeves, Texting-In-Theater Shooting Suspect, Expresses Remorse
What would I of done in Reeves situation ? First of all it would of never happened because in today's world a person texting in a movie theatre before the lights were even dimmed to start the movie wouldn't get me all hot and bothered. (I'm sure we've all been in a theatre and have heard people talking during a movie).
And if it bothered me too much I'd move my seat before I'd leave my wife behind while I went wondering around looking for a manager like a little tattle tale.
And if I had a gun it would take a lot more than someone yelling or throwing popcorn at me to shoot that person.
Reeve's snapped, he knows he did. He admitted himself he messed up and said he should of moved.
01-07-2016, 09:01 AM
Location: tampa bay
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I never understood why if Reeves felt threatened he didn't just tell or show Oulsen "I have a gun" or even shorter "I'm armed"??? Believe Oulsen would have retreated...his wife was right next to him...he had young children...Reeves could have just held him at gunpoint and waited for police to arrive...why pull gun and bam shoot??? Clearly Reeves was enraged...he was a well experienced leo not some bumbling idiot with a gun...Reeves lost his head and in a split second killed a man needlessly... if he had just paused shown the gun or said "I have a gun" and Oulsen still went for him...well whole different ballgame...
01-07-2016, 09:37 AM
Location: Spring Hill, Florida
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I never understood why if Reeves felt threatened he didn't just tell or show Oulsen "I have a gun" or even shorter "I'm armed"??? Believe Oulsen would have retreated...his wife was right next to him...he had young children...Reeves could have just held him at gunpoint and waited for police to arrive...why pull gun and bam shoot??? Clearly Reeves was enraged...he was a well experienced leo not some bumbling idiot with a gun...Reeves lost his head and in a split second killed a man needlessly... if he had just paused shown the gun or said "I have a gun" and Oulsen still went for him...well whole different ballgame...
That's illegal behavior for a concealed permit holder. It's called brandishing and is a felony in most states.
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People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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