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Old 03-05-2008, 02:04 PM
 
Location: St. Augustine FL
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I live near Apollo beach - it takes almost 2 hours to get to MAFB across town, via bus. No thanks. Oh, and to get that Bus, I would have to drive to Brandon. Why you might ask? Well - because there isn't a bus to get me from AB to Brandon to change. This is just an example.
So route 47LX, that stops in Apollo Beach at the Winn Dixie in the morning and heads northbound to the Marion transit center is not an option for you? I takes 1 hr 20 minutes, makes 2 stops at Winn Dixie in the morning, and another 2 stops returning in the evening.
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Old 03-05-2008, 03:40 PM
 
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Unhappy what if you

have to get home during the day as happened to me once in CLT? I was stranded and it was before Uptown was redeveloped. I had no place to wait for a ride. I managed to get to South Park and wait 4 hours there. What if you have no one who can *unstrand* you
The limited buses are a good savings option for those who have fall back plans they can use but are not for everyone.



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So route 47LX, that stops in Apollo Beach at the Winn Dixie in the morning and heads northbound to the Marion transit center is not an option for you? I takes 1 hr 20 minutes, makes 2 stops at Winn Dixie in the morning, and another 2 stops returning in the evening.
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Old 03-06-2008, 06:53 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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So route 47LX, that stops in Apollo Beach at the Winn Dixie in the morning and heads northbound to the Marion transit center is not an option for you? I takes 1 hr 20 minutes, makes 2 stops at Winn Dixie in the morning, and another 2 stops returning in the evening.
That Winn Dixie is about 5 miles from my house.. so if I felt like walking or riding a bike in a suit, I'd do it.

Or I could just drive a car, listen to my ipod, and drink my coffee and get to work in half the time. Sure, I'll have a car payment and insurance and gas.. but I live in South Shore. I need the car to get ANYTHING done. It is what it is..
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Old 03-06-2008, 11:01 PM
 
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It is what is is....hmmm.......wait until gas is 5 dollars a gallon. Then, finally, Americans might understand that our addiction to cars is inconvenient and is running our air quality, waistlines and wallets
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Old 03-07-2008, 07:01 AM
 
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you're right but we don't have the infrastructure to immediately switch over. anyway, it's just excuses. I saw today that the city of Phoenix AZ is going to cut services why? because according to them, the "holiday shopping season " was so bad they didn't raise enough tax revenue What Who bases their existence on ONE small portion of their income? Oh, I guess we all do, buying houses dependent on 2 incomes when neither is really secure in the long run, etc. etc. How stupid is that and what kind of extravagant standard are we setting?
To get back to the car situation. Katie, who is going to pay for these improvements? What do we do with the cost/benefit analyses that have been done and eliminated routes in Tampa because of LOW ridership. You can't expect people who have schedules to adhere to to be pioneers and start riding buses that may or may not get them there on time. You can't expect parents with children in, say Apollo Beach, to pioneer taking buses into town and then not be able to get back if there's an emergency with the kid. And there's ALWAYS an emergency with kids

That's the thing about America. We have the freedom to spend $5/gal if that's what we want to do. Are you ready to trade that freedom for ideologies that have been proven to not work i.e. socialism?


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It is what is is....hmmm.......wait until gas is 5 dollars a gallon. Then, finally, Americans might understand that our addiction to cars is inconvenient and is running our air quality, waistlines and wallets
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Old 03-11-2008, 06:25 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Couldn't have said it better myself.

The city of Tampa shouldn't wait for more riders. It should be proactive, and create a system that WILL WORK. THEN, the riders will come.

Ask Charlotte, NC. Was there this weekend.
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Old 03-11-2008, 08:58 AM
 
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Smile SSpiro

you're right about CLT but one thing they did have BEFORE they improved trans. was Bank of America redeveloping a rundown neighborhood and offering incentives to their employees to move "uptown" as they call it. I mean a huge redevelopment that attracted the attention of I think Simon to consider an uptown mall and lots of good restaurants. Don't remember if that mall happened or if they opted for improvements to South Park instead. BOA also built their additional office space uptown within walking/biking distance of the new development unlike First Union, Wachovia, who went for a bunker in the burbs. Panthers stadium also helped. This all created a destination where people actually live and want to be at all hours. Until Tampa provides more than a business destination that pretty much closes down at 6PM, there is no reason to pour money into the transit system.
Tourists won't use it since they rent cars to go to Disney, etc. anyway and until Southerners get over the idea that only sociopaths and the homeless ride buses, the locals won't. When I first rode the bus in CLT, everyone local thought I was crazy. They also believed that no one truly respectable lived in an apartment
Respectable people OWNED their own homes and I guess cars.

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Couldn't have said it better myself.

The city of Tampa shouldn't wait for more riders. It should be proactive, and create a system that WILL WORK. THEN, the riders will come.

Ask Charlotte, NC. Was there this weekend.
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Old 03-13-2008, 12:20 AM
 
Location: Up above the world so high!
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you're right about CLT but one thing they did have BEFORE they improved trans. was Bank of America redeveloping a rundown neighborhood and offering incentives to their employees to move "uptown" as they call it. I mean a huge redevelopment that attracted the attention of I think Simon to consider an uptown mall and lots of good restaurants. Don't remember if that mall happened or if they opted for improvements to South Park instead. BOA also built their additional office space uptown within walking/biking distance of the new development unlike First Union, Wachovia, who went for a bunker in the burbs. Panthers stadium also helped. This all created a destination where people actually live and want to be at all hours. Until Tampa provides more than a business destination that pretty much closes down at 6PM, there is no reason to pour money into the transit system.
Tourists won't use it since they rent cars to go to Disney, etc. anyway and until Southerners get over the idea that only sociopaths and the homeless ride buses, the locals won't. When I first rode the bus in CLT, everyone local thought I was crazy. They also believed that no one truly respectable lived in an apartment
Respectable people OWNED their own homes and I guess cars.
Would be curious how long you actually lived in Charlotte?

Not trying to be argumentative, but some of what you wrote above isn't really accurate. In the first place, the South Park area has been a desirable location for the 20 years I've lived here and never has needed "improvements" from the city in any way - so I'm totally confused as to what you meant by that.

And uptown Charlotte might have been sleepy, but it has never been "rundown". BofA choosing to base itself here has certainly spawned a ton of growth and a more vibrant uptown, but really, Charlotte was a nice little city before all that happened and didn't need to be pulled out of the gutter or anything.

And as far as BofA offering "incentives" for its employees to live uptown, I have never heard of such a thing. More people moving here for their jobs from the west coast and northeast is what has led to the demand for uptown living and high rise living - people from urban areas typically have an urban mindset and want that kind of lifestyle when they move. BofA didn't have to do anything to convince people to live uptown.

And finally, BofA is not the only big company in town, and it is certainly not seen as the savior or our city or anything - we really were a very nice city with a nice lifestyle before they showed up It was actually the timing of so many companies converging on Charlotte in a decade period, in addition to the huge growth of NASCAR as a mainstream sport in addition to BofA that has fueled our growth.

I do agree with you that until about 10 years ago the average person in Charlotte would have never ridden a city bus, lol. That was just too "big city" for us and not really the kind of life we lived here. Now of course that attitude has evolved since our population has grown so tremendously and traffic has become an issue. I applaud the city for sticking with the transportation system those first few years when ridership was so low - somebody up top was astute enough to realize we really needed it and by the time the public realized we did, it was already in place Same with our new light rail system. Sounds like since you were a bit before your time when you lived here you might really enjoy it now if you were to ever move back.
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Old 03-13-2008, 12:25 AM
 
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Get a motorcycle its the Tampa way. I would get one myself if I could get a roof on it.
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Old 03-13-2008, 04:31 PM
 
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that South Park needed improving but don't you remember when they were trying to attract more retail Uptown about 10 or so years ago and the feasibility studies weren't sure that the area behind Discovery Place I think, around the bus terminal, actually over it, would attract enough shoppers in the hours outside of lunchtime? The last I heard was that they thought South Park might be better and that's when they took out Sears and Penney's and replaced them with Nordstrom and Neiman's. I haven't been there for a while but my in-laws still live nearby. Did they ever build that Uptown mall? You're wrong about BoA. The area West of Tryon past the Federal Courthouse was a blighted neighborhood. I didn't say ALL of Charlotte was run down. There were a few Urban pioneers in the area in between but it was challenging because there was no place to go after 6, well maybe Mimosa Grille and if you wanted groceries you had to go to Dilworth, by car. It WAS BoA that financed the redevelopment and encouraged their people to move there. It was a whole, planned, multi-use are that included a Harris Teeter, If I'm not mistaken.
Anyway why are you so defensive? I was trying to be positive and say this is what Tampa needs. Have you actually lived here? During the boom of a couple years ago developers threw up condo buildings downtown and started prices at 350K up. Some remain unfinished. What was to be Trump Tower Tampa, is now a hole in the ground. The buildings that are finished are half vacant for the most part and why? Because there is no infrastructure there to support residential life. There is a BoA but I doubt that more than a handful of their local employees can afford or want that high prices no amenity lifestyle. I can't honestly tell you how much of the building is even BoA occupied.
If you live in Channelside you have to drive for your groceries and other basics and aside from a few tourist frequented restaurants and clubs, I mean a very few, you have to drive for your recreation. That's not what most urbanites are looking for.
And I agree with you about the transportation system. It is just what I was saying they didn't do here. They cut routes in the South Tampa/Downtown area because the ridership didn't materialize with the affluent. But they didn't redirect the vehicles or funds to the poorer neighborhoods where people really need it. I think Charlotte is a nice place over all but it's not a place I'd live again. I cannot be that far from the sea and unlike you, I HATE mountains.



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Would be curious how long you actually lived in Charlotte?

Not trying to be argumentative, but some of what you wrote above isn't really accurate. In the first place, the South Park area has been a desirable location for the 20 years I've lived here and never has needed "improvements" from the city in any way - so I'm totally confused as to what you meant by that.

And uptown Charlotte might have been sleepy, but it has never been "rundown". BofA choosing to base itself here has certainly spawned a ton of growth and a more vibrant uptown, but really, Charlotte was a nice little city before all that happened and didn't need to be pulled out of the gutter or anything.

And as far as BofA offering "incentives" for its employees to live uptown, I have never heard of such a thing. More people moving here for their jobs from the west coast and northeast is what has led to the demand for uptown living and high rise living - people from urban areas typically have an urban mindset and want that kind of lifestyle when they move. BofA didn't have to do anything to convince people to live uptown.

And finally, BofA is not the only big company in town, and it is certainly not seen as the savior or our city or anything - we really were a very nice city with a nice lifestyle before they showed up It was actually the timing of so many companies converging on Charlotte in a decade period, in addition to the huge growth of NASCAR as a mainstream sport in addition to BofA that has fueled our growth.

I do agree with you that until about 10 years ago the average person in Charlotte would have never ridden a city bus, lol. That was just too "big city" for us and not really the kind of life we lived here. Now of course that attitude has evolved since our population has grown so tremendously and traffic has become an issue. I applaud the city for sticking with the transportation system those first few years when ridership was so low - somebody up top was astute enough to realize we really needed it and by the time the public realized we did, it was already in place Same with our new light rail system. Sounds like since you were a bit before your time when you lived here you might really enjoy it now if you were to ever move back.
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