when will publix ban plastic bags in florida? (Gainesville, Fort Myers: homes, live)

[Arcenal813]

I hope you're washing those reusable bags, especially after things like raw chicken, fish, pork, etc., have been in there. Or... Do you wrap the meat packages in the clear plastic bags hanging on rolls throughout the store?

[sinatras]

The Gulf is a landfill full of plastic!

https://www.wfla.com/1956626993

[boy3365]

Originally Posted by Arcenal352

I hope you're washing those reusable bags, especially after things like raw chicken, fish, pork, etc., have been in there. Or... Do you wrap the meat packages in the clear plastic bags hanging on rolls throughout the store?

I use plastic bags just for meat. I will also use bags one more time from Prime Now, Target Drive-Up, or wherever for meat. Everything else goes into reusable bags.

[Jimrob1]

Originally Posted by boy3365

I use plastic bags just for meat. I will also use bags one more time from Prime Now, Target Drive-Up, or wherever for meat. Everything else goes into reusable bags.

This is what I wonder about. If there are no plastic bags, what do we use for meat and fish?
Reusable bags might be great for the environment, but not so much for humans. We need something to use inside the reusable bag. The chances of bacteria are very high.

[Ft Laud Guy]

Time to go back to killing more trees again, I guess.

[dothetwist]

Originally Posted by Jimrob1

This is what I wonder about. If there are no plastic bags, what do we use for meat and fish?
Reusable bags might be great for the environment, but not so much for humans. We need something to use inside the reusable bag. The chances of bacteria are very high.

Butcher paper. I am in Lisbon now on vacation and that is what they use here, same as what was used in my childhood in the US in the 50s and 60s.

[Gulf coast jon]

Great post - thanks for sharing the link.

This issue came up in a TV segment this morning:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-ha...waste-problem/

But reusable packaging also carries an environmental cost.

"The environmental impact of a steel container is much higher than a single-use plastic one," said Cornell University professor Glen Dowell, who is an expert in the environmental responsibility of businesses. "And when we think about the footprint of the transportation of getting the containers back and forth, it's going to be quite a few times that these containers have to be reused before they're better in an environmental sense."

I've always liked the plastic bags as I find ways to reuse (garbage bags especially for cat litter), and return the extras to be recycled. I reuse bags for Aldi's and Costco.

Originally Posted by Sunshine Rules

But canvas bags might actually be worse for the environment than the plastic ones they are meant to replace. In 2008, the UK Environment Agency (UKEA) published a study of resource expenditures for various bags: paper, plastic, canvas, and recycled-polypropylene tote bags. Surprisingly, the authors found that in typical patterns of use and disposal, consumers seeking to minimize pollution and carbon emissions should use plastic grocery bags and then reuse those bags at least once—as trash-can liners or for other secondary tasks. Conventional plastic bags made from high-density polyethylene (HDPE, the plastic sacks found at grocery stores) had the smallest per-use environmental impact of all those tested. Cotton tote bags, by contrast, exhibited the highest and most severe global-warming potential by far since they require more resources to produce and distribute.

https://www.theatlantic.com/technolo...o-tote/498557/

[boy3365]

Originally Posted by sinatras

The largest grocery store company in the USA, Kroger, is phasing out plastic bags. So are many others.
Plastic straws are also over. Soon, like incandescent light bulbs, you'll be hard-pressed to find a plastic bag, or plastic straw.
Publix will follow suit. Eventually.

https://www.usnews.com/news/business...-at-all-stores

Publix is the Archie Bunker of retailers, run by old men all wearing the same white starched shirts, hanging on to their 1970s idea of a grocery store and what people eat and how people shop. They will have to be dragged kicking and screaming into change.

I ran across this article, where the author also talked about old execs in starched shirts at grocery chains resisting change. If the author's Twitter account didn't place him NYC, I would swear it was you lol.

https://newfoodeconomy.org/how-groce...he-amazon-era/

I think the future will be more than about what types of bags are used.

While I don't believe the doomsday scenario with Amazon's acquisition of Whole Foods (https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/02/busin...zon/index.html) and its eventual plan to open conventional grocery stores (https://www.businessinsider.com/amaz...ntinued-2019-3), the article does bring up some good points on how grocery stores need to evolve into places that provide experiences versus places where people complete a chore in order to survive the slowly increasing shift to online ordering of non-perishables and household goods.

This Shook Kelly architectural firm (Shook Kelley: Projects) mentioned in the article is amazing. They do amazing work. It looks like the biggest brand they've worked with is Whole Foods in the 2000s. They seem to focus on smaller chains.

[sinatras]

Originally Posted by boy3365

I ran across this article, where the author also talked about old execs in starched shirts at grocery chains resisting change. If the author's Twitter account didn't place him NYC, I would swear it was you lol.

https://newfoodeconomy.org/how-groce...he-amazon-era/

I think the future will be more than about what types of bags are used.

While I don't believe the doomsday scenario with Amazon's acquisition of Whole Foods (https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/02/busin...zon/index.html) and its eventual plan to open conventional grocery stores (https://www.businessinsider.com/amaz...ntinued-2019-3), the article does bring up some good points on how grocery stores need to evolve into places that provide experiences versus places where people complete a chore in order to survive the slowly increasing shift to online ordering of non-perishables and household goods.

This Shook Kelly architectural firm (Shook Kelley: Projects) mentioned in the article is amazing. They do amazing work. It looks like the biggest brand they've worked with is Whole Foods in the 2000s. They seem to focus on smaller chains.

LOL grocery executives acting like Archie Bunker wearing starched white shirts has been going on for many decades, no new news there. Doesn't take some left wing NYC writer to spell that out for anyone. All you have to do is visit a Publix, a Kroger, a Stop and Shop; the Archie Bunkers will be there, walking the floors, wondering why their Oscar Mayer hot dogs aren't selling anymore.

The CEO of Kroger, Rodney "Archie Bunker" McMullen, was quoted in the Wall Street Journal this week saying the following about sluggish sales and lagging technology at Kroger:

“We’ve got to get our butts in gear,” he said in an interview.

About 30 years too late, me thinks.

[kyle19125]

If oil interests can be removed from the equation (yes, the plastics and petroleum industries are intertwined) solutions like the biodegradable/edible bags already produced from the cassava plant are a legitimate solution. However unless we can get past the almighty corporate interests first, it ain't happening. https://www.avanieco.com/portfolio-i...o-cassava-bag/