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Old 06-04-2008, 01:52 PM
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I don't see anything wrong with it. If you don't like it, don't look.
Then you need an education. It is free speech -your answer "dont look" is fine. l I am not going to look. I am going to say its pathetic , ignorant and just stupid. And anyone who condones flying this flag is the same.

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Old 06-04-2008, 01:55 PM
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Then you need an education. It is free speech -your answer "dont look" is fine. l I am not going to look. I am going to say its pathetic , ignorant and just stupid. And anyone who condones flying this flag is the same.
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Old 06-04-2008, 02:07 PM
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Then you need an education. It is free speech -your answer "dont look" is fine. l I am not going to look. I am going to say its pathetic , ignorant and just stupid. And anyone who condones flying this flag is the same.
So from what I gather from your post is that you can have your freedoms but other people's freedoms are pathetic, ignorant and stupid if they do not align with you views.

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Old 06-04-2008, 02:35 PM
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So from what I gather from your post is that you can have your freedoms but other people's freedoms are pathetic, ignorant and stupid if they do not align with you views.
Its an opinion. You can have all the free thoughts you want does not mean everyone has to agree with them. That flag flying over the city is a disgrace to me.

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Old 06-04-2008, 03:32 PM
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I am in total agreement that this is shameful. But in all fairness, I occasionally saw confederate flags while living in ultra liberal northern California. There are idiots every where.

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You know- My Wife and I were originally relocating to South Florida. We are from Hoboken NJ. Then we decided Tampa maybe better for us as her sister decided to relocate there. I told my wife Tampa looked like a place I could live although I knew there was some of this element around the area. Not to mention the Bible Belt has crept into the Tampa area as well.
This is proof I was correct. I have decided to change course and go back to our original plan of South Florida.

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Old 06-04-2008, 06:29 PM
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Its an opinion. You can have all the free thoughts you want does not mean everyone has to agree with them. That flag flying over the city is a disgrace to me.
Just to be correct, the flag is actually flying on a small piece of land between two interstates, about 12 miles East of the city. I think it's actually in Seffner/Hillsborough County.

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Old 06-04-2008, 08:28 PM
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I see nothing wrong with this flag. It's a part of our heritage and history. What's wrong is when one of our soldiers is reprimanded for shooting up the Koran - even though Middle Eastern countries burn and desecrate the red, white and blue and have done so for YEARS!!!!!!!

And Sharon Stone is ridiculed for freedom of speech about China - I don't agree with what she said, but China sure as hell hasn't ever been our ally. I'm sure nothing would have been done had she made her remarks about a Soviet Union. These people are our enemies.

10 years ago, Muslims barely existed in this country - now I have seen a girl in a hijab at my place of work. I don't care if she's the most peaceable person on earth, religion of any kind has NO place in the work place.

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Old 06-04-2008, 10:06 PM
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I see nothing wrong with this flag. It's a part of our heritage and history. What's wrong is when one of our soldiers is reprimanded for shooting up the Koran - even though Middle Eastern countries burn and desecrate the red, white and blue and have done so for YEARS!!!!!!!

And Sharon Stone is ridiculed for freedom of speech about China - I don't agree with what she said, but China sure as hell hasn't ever been our ally. I'm sure nothing would have been done had she made her remarks about a Soviet Union. These people are our enemies.

10 years ago, Muslims barely existed in this country - now I have seen a girl in a hijab at my place of work. I don't care if she's the most peaceable person on earth, religion of any kind has NO place in the work place.
You need to get your head clear. Two wrongs doesn't make it right. If something is wrong, it is wrong. It doesn't become right because others do it wrong. You also seem to have lot of issues with muslims and chinese. They are our enemies? Do you mean their culture, or their countries, or their religion are "our" enemies? And who is "our"? I have studied and worked with enough people of diverse culture to know you can't swipe same sword to everyone.

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Old 06-05-2008, 05:33 AM
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Man, I thought Tampa was a little more forward thinking than this. Disappointing.

The funny thing is this. People say that it's totally American to fly the rebel flag... really?

The Confederate flag was the symbol of a rebel faction bent on DESTROYING the United States. The war wasn't between the north and south per se. It was a war between The United States commonly called "the North" and the self proclaimed Confederate States who wanted to do one of two things, either dissolve the United States by shattering the union... or simply breaking themselves free and forming their own country (which would ruin the agricultural base of the United States and would not end well for us).

The Confederacy was an ENEMY to the United States... not a branch of government... not a mens club... not a band of good ol' boys... they were a fully equipped rebel army that had the intention of erasing the United States from the world map. They took arms against Americans. They disliked the United States so much that they killed people. There is nothing warm, fuzzy, or nostalgic about them.

That's the heritage of the Confederacy. If you fly the flag or agree with it, then ask yourself this...

What if somebody wanted to:

put up statues honoring terrorist group members at your local park...

or sell merchandise with "[insert terror organization name] shall rise again"...

or paint a terrorist symbol on a car for a TV show with the main characters driving it around and outsmarting the law...

or better yet...fly a terrorist organizations flag over your state capitol...

Would you be a little upset?

Flying the Confederate flag and honoring their army is the same F***ing thing.

So, no it's not the same as flying the flag of another nation or like wearing a Pepsi shirt among Coca-Cola drinkers... it's worse, much worse.

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Man, I thought Tampa was a little more forward thinking than this. Disappointing.

The funny thing is this. People say that it's totally American to fly the rebel flag... really?

The Confederate flag was the symbol of a rebel faction bent on DESTROYING the United States. The war wasn't between the north and south per se. It was a war between The United States commonly called "the North" and the self proclaimed Confederate States who wanted to do one of two things, either dissolve the United States by shattering the union... or simply breaking themselves free and forming their own country (which would ruin the agricultural base of the United States and would not end well for us).

The Confederacy was an ENEMY to the United States... not a branch of government... not a mens club... not a band of good ol' boys... they were a fully equipped rebel army that had the intention of erasing the United States from the world map. They took arms against Americans. They disliked the United States so much that they killed people. There is nothing warm, fuzzy, or nostalgic about them.

That's the heritage of the Confederacy. If you fly the flag or agree with it, then ask yourself this...

What if somebody wanted to:

put up statues honoring terrorist group members at your local park...

or sell merchandise with "[insert terror organization name] shall rise again"...

or paint a terrorist symbol on a car for a TV show with the main characters driving it around and outsmarting the law...

or better yet...fly a terrorist organizations flag over your state capitol...

Would you be a little upset?

Flying the Confederate flag and honoring their army is the same F***ing thing.

So, no it's not the same as flying the flag of another nation or like wearing a Pepsi shirt among Coca-Cola drinkers... it's worse, much worse.
These fools have a fuzzy warm feelings for something they totally do not understand. What you said is true Dusty. I don't know why someone would want to acknoledge such association to a bunch of terrorists that tried to destroy the "United States".

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