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Old 01-01-2010, 06:53 PM
 
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Originally Posted by seain dublin View Post
You didn't answer Algia's question. Have you ever traveled out of the country?

Your idea of culture is limited to Florida. How sad for you.
Haha - I'm sure not crying - I got everything I need right here - since you do nothing but complain in every single one of your posts, I would have to say "how sad for YOU!"

 
Old 01-01-2010, 07:25 PM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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Originally Posted by gypsychic View Post
Haha - I'm sure not crying - I got everything I need right here - since you do nothing but complain in every single one of your posts, I would have to say "how sad for YOU!"

Why would anyone want to travel out of the country when you already live in paradise?

Besides, I have traveled to several other countries and other then a couple Caribbean beaches I like, Florida beaches, history, attractions and culture has them all beat.

No comparison whatsoever.

There is not one country I would want to live or travel at this point in time.

Another case of someone hating and blaming Florida for their own issues.

POSITIVE
Something to offer everyone even if you do not like to go the beach.

NEGATIVE
People who are stuck and unhappy because of their own poor decisions.
 
Old 01-03-2010, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Spring Hill Florida
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I could not say that better. Our vacations are usually FLORIDA vacations.
Sarasota, St. Augustine, Tallahassee, Pensacola, Orlando, Miami/Ft. Lauderdale, Marco Island/Ft Myers, Key West.

Plus: No TIA inspections, no language barriers, limited travel requirements, no passports needed.
Just enjoy.

Anybody go to the Dade Battlefield re-enactment? I toured the site once. You can FEEL the history.



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Originally Posted by Sunny-Days90 View Post
Why would anyone want to travel out of the country when you already live in paradise?

Besides, I have traveled to several other countries and other then a couple Caribbean beaches I like, Florida beaches, history, attractions and culture has them all beat.

No comparison whatsoever.

There is not one country I would want to live or travel at this point in time.

Another case of someone hating and blaming Florida for their own issues.

POSITIVE
Something to offer everyone even if you do not like to go the beach.

NEGATIVE
People who are stuck and unhappy because of their own poor decisions.
 
Old 01-04-2010, 06:13 AM
 
Location: Eastern time zone
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But, on the other hand I know for a fact that 3 former posters here posted how they could not wait to get back to Florida, two of them in the Tampa area and one in Ft Myers area that absolutely lied to people about the areas and their experiences. All in an effort to blame the Tampa and the state for their lives going downward. When in fact, one in particular posted how much they could not wait to get back to Florida and when they did, they went belly up because of poor financial decisions and when the economy went down his family business went with it. Then blamed the schools, the area, crime, the state and anything else he could on his failures.
I'm not sure it's a lie iof the speaker believes it.
A lot of people believe that where they live directly determines their quality of life. I personally wouldn't go that far, though I believe that there is such a thing as a relatively good or bad fit with your surroundings. I also believe that fit can change over years, or from one visit to the next. I'm willing to agree that the State of Florida isn't directly responsible for my personal happiness, though-- nor yours, Tampaguy's, Gypsy's, Seain's, or anyone else's.
As for correcting liars on an internet forum...um, good luck with that. You'll be busy, and you'd better hope you're 100% accurate yourownself.


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Fact is I prefer to be at Tampa/St Pete, Clearwater or Anna Maria Island areas, or Disney in July or August.
You completely lost me here. Disney at any time is excruciatingly painful. Disney in August is the ninth ring of Hell. Of course, one of the qualifiers of my opinion on Disney (besides having lived here long enough to drag four children through the place far too often, over the years-- long enough that even the kids can go for a half day and want to leave) is that they don't pay their bills to contractors-- which I wouldn't have experienced if I were a visitor and not a resident.
Note to monitors: yes, I'm listing the Mouse as a negative.

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Old 01-04-2010, 06:18 AM
 
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Did someone move to Florida and not expect the summers to be hot?
It only gets into the mid 90's. It's not like out west where it gets into the lower 100's every day. Don't tell me about dry heat either. I've been to Las Vegas in July. Now that is brutal. Here in the summer you see life, birds, trees, flowers (well, we have that in the winter too )
every thing is green. In the desert you find the skeltons of what didn't make it and blank moonscape.

Anyone who moved south of Virginia and didn't expect hot, humid summers isn't too bright.
Or very young.
I'll have to admit the idea of using the AC in December was completely foreign to me when I moved here. It's hard to really grasp eighties and high humidity the week before Christmas even in many places south of Virginia.

I think people have a norm in mind of what America is like. And they recognize that Florida deviates from the norm in a lot of ways. But really, moving here, probably it would be better off to recognize that sometimes we're closer to the norm for...say...Guam.
Not that that's necessarily a bad thing. Some people like Guam.
 
Old 01-04-2010, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Spring Hill Florida
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Certainly quality of life is something a place offers a person, not that a person offers a place.

Sure, good fit/bad fit. The fit doesn't change, the needs/desires of the person may change.

No, FLorida is not responsible for my personal happiness but it makes me happy to be here.

Too bad you think the happiest place on earth (Mouse House) is a
hellish experience. Says a lot about a person.


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I'm not sure it's a lie iof the speaker believes it.
A lot of people believe that where they live directly determines their quality of life. I personally wouldn't go that far, though I believe that there is such a thing as a relatively good or bad fit with your surroundings. I also believe that fit can change over years, or from one visit to the next. I'm willing to agree that the State of Florida isn't directly responsible for my personal happiness, though-- nor yours, Tampaguy's, Gypsy's, Seain's, or anyone else's.
As for correcting liars on an internet forum...um, good luck with that. You'll be busy, and you'd better hope you're 100% accurate yourownself.




You completely lost me here. Disney at any time is excruciatingly painful. Disney in August is the ninth ring of Hell. Of course, one of the qualifiers of my opinion on Disney (besides having lived here long enough to drag four children through the place far too often, over the years-- long enough that even the kids can go for a half day and want to leave) is that they don't pay their bills to contractors-- which I wouldn't have experienced if I were a visitor and not a resident.
Note to monitors: yes, I'm listing the Mouse as a negative.
 
Old 01-04-2010, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Spring Hill Florida
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Living in Florida is a lifestyle, not a place to live. AC in December is part of that lifestyle as is shorts and flip flops on New Years Day.

Yes, FL is a diversion from the norm. I have never been to Guam, but I lived on Okinawa for 2 years and I find Orlando to be very much like Okinawa weather.


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Originally Posted by Aconite View Post
Or very young.
I'll have to admit the idea of using the AC in December was completely foreign to me when I moved here. It's hard to really grasp eighties and high humidity the week before Christmas even in many places south of Virginia.

I think people have a norm in mind of what America is like. And they recognize that Florida deviates from the norm in a lot of ways. But really, moving here, probably it would be better off to recognize that sometimes we're closer to the norm for...say...Guam.
Not that that's necessarily a bad thing. Some people like Guam.
 
Old 01-05-2010, 08:11 AM
 
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Too bad you think the happiest place on earth (Mouse House) is a
hellish experience. Says a lot about a person.
What it says is that I don't enjoy slick, prepackaged, one-size-fits-all forced jollity. I don't much care for Chuck E. Cheese or Celebration Station, either.
 
Old 01-05-2010, 08:17 AM
 
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Living in Florida is a lifestyle, not a place to live. AC in December is part of that lifestyle as is shorts and flip flops on New Years Day.
Please tell me how one "lifestyle" encompasses the divorced 50-something math teacher in Jacksonville, the college freshman in Gainesville or Tallahassee, the 8yo growing up in Belle Glade, the condo-dweller on Merritt Island, the elderly woman in south St. Pete, and the young family in Land O' Lakes. Or are some of those people not legitimately Floridian?

Sounds to me like somebody imprinted on a Jimmy Buffet record at an early age.
 
Old 01-05-2010, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Palm Harbor, FL
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If you live in Largo, you know EXACTLY what I am talking about. At least Pinellas was WAY ahead of the curve when they elevated 19.
LOL I do live in Largo, Ulmerton Rd. is a great example of this. I'm happy they are improving it but the execution in some places makes me scratch my head.

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I have heard rumors that the next road to grow to 6 lanes will be Starkey..from Park to East Bay..
Oh I hope this isn't true, I just can't see where they can expand in some areas of Starkey, unless they plan on kicking out some homes and businesses.

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Originally Posted by gypsychic View Post
A friendly person can make friends anywhere - Tampa is no different.
Absolutely, its all about doing the research and making the effort.

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Originally Posted by algia View Post
tampaguy03:

When I make that comment about not enough high quality art around I am referring to a theater like an Opera type, that is solid planted here with it's own season that includes ballets and operas and concerts etc...
I have to agree there's no planted culture here but we do get tours that come through and while they aren't Broadway quality sure, they certainly aren't disappointing or not worthy of attending either.

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If a theater such as the one I am talking about would have half the sponsors the Buccaneers have, they would be able to have new performances every season and run regular performances just as well. There are a LOT of talented people out there in the arts and it is a shame that the arts have already been pushed away from schools which is part of why we don't have this type of entertainment in this area.

Tampa unlike Orlando which has ALL the theme parks you can imagine, is more home/business oriented and not focused on tourism as much as Orlando or as much as Miami, therefore it would be very nice if for a change we can also have the arts a bit more situated.
I agree with this, while I do believe we have arts here, there certainly could be more.

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Now as far as kid stuff, my kids are Disney age, so there isn't much else we have to do around, honestly Chuck E Cheese is a misery and it is so dirty and disgusting that someone can give me a million dollars and I would still not set foot into one again! and it is just a video game thing...I rather drive to Orlando and go to Game Works! or drive to Fort Lauderdale to Wannado City (I know it's not free, what IS free here??? as far as entertainment for the kids other than the beach!? and that for us is not free either because there's a fee to go to Honeymoon Island which we prefer because of more reasons than I want to list now........The Gymboree is very expensive for example, you need an extra income to afford it.....and when you're on one income it is out of the question...and that is about it.....my kids love to be in the water however now in the winter time we can't really go to the beach unless we are looking to get them sick! because the water is cold....
Great Explorations; Jump World, MOSI, Lowry Park Zoo, Celebration Station, Extreme Fun Center

Free: Go hiking, spend time at a local park and have a picnic, they have playgrounds, movies in the park, libraries, go to the free beaches and build a sand castle. Yes, even in winter, its called no swimming and bundle up, I just did it with my oldest daughter last week.

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gypsychic: have you ever been outside Tampa? have you ever been in London? Paris? Rome? Bucharest? Athens? anywhere?
We know you love Sarasota and what you get there as "the arts" OK......but you need to find a way to understand that when someone else other than YOU has traveled a lot and had the opportunity to see HIGH QUALITY ballet, concerts & theater what comes around here UNLESS it is the American Ballet itself or the New York City ballet or San Francisco Ballet, it is all regional stuff, good, but not excellent. It is like comparing apples with oranges......sure we have all sorts of companies tour here and perform, however I am referring to a whole other category that you seem to not be familiar with therefore before you tell people we have high quality art around, travel a bit and see what that's like.
Yes, those locations have higher quality art venues, I completely agree. Florida does have its own unique cultures to share and one should view them as such instead of comparing them to locations around the world that specialize in this type of entertainment. Of course Florida is going to fall short, its not the main focus here.


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The performing Art Center is not a theater that runs on it's own self, other companies rent it out to perform there, but there isn't a LOCAL company that uses that center as their home and where they can have up to 13 performances a season in ballets, or operas....with it's own artist employees (ballet dancers, opera singers, chorus, own orchestra etc) a whole different ball game than have someone just tour the area for a few days. With children ballets (Nutcracker, Cinderella, Snow White, Coppelia etc etc, theater plays, Shakespeare...Taming of the Shrew, Moliere plays which are hilarious........I can name hundreds, Operas such as Aida, Nabucco, OMG there are thousands).....something to keep the teens entertained and at the same time educated culturally not just with sports and more sports.....there needs to be a balance, no one says we should kill all the sports, but there should be an even balance between all this stuff.........teens shouldn't find the "malls" to be hang out places....sure if you go to the movies that's one thing, but to spend afternoons there leisurely is really not teaching anything...on the contrary it keeps these poor young people very limited...
I can agree with the above statement.

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gypsychic:
"A friendly person can make friends anywhere - Tampa is no different."

Highly disagree, and purely NOT TRUE........we are very friendly, funny happy normal people and that has little to do with how many friends we really have.....which is not many and I will tell you why: TIME & MONEY
You need TIME to be with your friends, not everyone is open for barbecue on a whim, and MONEY to buy food for the barbecue, same applies for everything else, you want to go out with friends? well which restaurant is free? what about gas to get there and back and baby sitter money?.......to give you a tiny example.....where we live we barely see any people and the people we do see we see them pull in their driveways after work tired and ready to go to bed.
That sounds more like a personal issue than something the area is the cause of. My father used to say if something is important enough to you, that you will find the time to do it. Regarding money, a deck of cards and a table and chairs should be sufficient for hours of entertainment.


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Let's define friends tho, because if you consider making a friend while sitting in line to exit Sams Club and then you never see that person again.......that is just "being friendly"...........but if were talking about meeting new people and actually forming a new relationship with them THAT my dear takes WORK & TIME & MONEY..........they all go hand in hand and so far the people we know work crazy hours, have kids, and are tired just like we are by the time weekend rolls around, then if you're not rich, the weekend is taken up with yard work as we don't live on asphalt and the remainder is spent catching up around the house! we are in our mid 30's and we fall sleep on the couch at 8:30PM or earlier after running after two kids all day long...........!

We should NOT forget or assume that everyone is into what we are EITHER, we may like to play cards, or the Wii, etc, others may enjoy hard core porn! which is definitely not our thing, so.....on the surface all is cool, but then when we get together what a hell are we supposed to do to get on some sort of a same page!????? it's not like you turn on a button and poof were BFF's with anyone!!!!!

I'm sorry you feel this way, I'm married, both of us work full time and we have two children and we find time to maintain a household and go out on the weekends for family fun. I might suggest some time management and budgetary courses would be helpful for you.

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Postive- the different types of birds you see, especially the herons and the cranes( I find them interesting to watch).

Negative- the "me first" attitude especially in the driving.
I see that kind of driving more in Tampa than I do in Pinellas County. I used to commute from the Town N Country area to the Gateway area in St. Petersburg every day, having driven down the Veterans vs McMullen Booth, its like two different worlds of driving.

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Originally Posted by Spring Hillian View Post
Do any of the cities that have all the culture also boast some of the WORLDS best beaches? A casual relaxed way of life? Sunshine MOST of the time? Some of the best nature has to offer? I don't think so.
If you want "HIGH QUALITY ballet, concerts & theate" you should be living in London, Paris, Rome, Bucharest, Athens. If you want to see New York City ballet or San Francisco Ballet that is great. Tampa International has daily flights to both cities!.

When someone in New York wants some opf WORLDS best beaches, a casual relaxed way of life, sunshine MOST of the time, some of the best nature has to offer, recreation and sports of all kinds, they come to FLORIDA.

If you expect to have this amazing "cultural" life style, why are earth would you look for it in Florida? That's like looking for a polar bear in Africa. Why would anyone expect it for that matter? You're right. Its like comparing apples and oranges.

Yeah, if you are in New York and to to TKTS you can get 1/2 price tickets, same day. Big deal. I would rather pay for choice seats at full price, know where I am going and when instead of letting "what's available" decide my time and planning.

I think some people's expectations of Florida are not what Florida has to offer.
I can agree with this. You make the most out of any situation but if I'm moving to a different state I'm not going to move if I don't like what the area has to offer, I'm just setting myself up to be miserable.

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Beaches are seasonal.....right now, today December 31st I CANNOT take my kids to the beach unless we all want to get sick.......water is COLD!
I disagree. I went to the beach with my older daughter just last weekend. We grabbed some food and watched the sun go down. The beach doesn't have to be all about swimming either.


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...you seem to think that "flying" everywhere these days with children is just a walk in the park, maybe you and I and my son should fly somewhere and see how you can HANDLE THAT!
Actually it is that simple, bring enough to keep the kids entertained on the plane. My kids have been flying for years and I rarely have trouble. It's all about proper planning and making sure you're prepared.

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Originally Posted by Aconite View Post
You completely lost me here. Disney at any time is excruciatingly painful. Disney in August is the ninth ring of Hell. Of course, one of the qualifiers of my opinion on Disney (besides having lived here long enough to drag four children through the place far too often, over the years-- long enough that even the kids can go for a half day and want to leave) is that they don't pay their bills to contractors-- which I wouldn't have experienced if I were a visitor and not a resident.
Note to monitors: yes, I'm listing the Mouse as a negative.
As someone who grew up going to Disney, my perception is completely the opposite. Careful planning and a good strategy can help you maneuver the parks and yes, that's even with children. I've been during every season of the year at Disney, as long as you go in with the understanding of what you're getting into (crowds, weather etc.) you can either enjoy yourself or be miserable. It's all about perspective.
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