01-16-2010, 04:43 PM
Location: East Tennessee
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@chaotix, thanks. I got Jeremy's link, but I'd forgotten about it.
01-17-2010, 03:40 PM
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Many so called "approved" short sales are just a way of speaking...it is only aproved when the person working on the file approves the offer....till than nothing is approved. Another person might say "we will do a short sale" but without an offer to look at, how can any one say it is approved...
01-18-2010, 06:22 AM
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The "approved" sales that I'm seeing are just a way for the realtors to say the bank has agreed to accept the price they are listing instead of just allowing the homeowner to ask for whatever sounds appealing (*hows that for a run on) Just because the homeowner asked for 100k doesn't mean the bank is going to take 100k. An approved sale means the bank has already agreed to take 100k for that property. It saves the buyer a lot of time if the sale is already approved by the bank for that price.
See, I'm learning a little more each day.
01-18-2010, 06:50 AM
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ladyspeed6
The "approved" sales that I'm seeing are just a way for the realtors to say the bank has agreed to accept the price they are listing instead of just allowing the homeowner to ask for whatever sounds appealing (*hows that for a run on) Just because the homeowner asked for 100k doesn't mean the bank is going to take 100k. An approved sale means the bank has already agreed to take 100k for that property. It saves the buyer a lot of time if the sale is already approved by the bank for that price.
See, I'm learning a little more each day.
Well that is what somerealtor's are stating...the truth is often different. Realtor's hope if they ask $ 100K, some buyers wll start a bidding war so the price will go up...
I have run into that more than once. I always look at comparable sales on the appraisers website and the value of the property on the same website...If it sounds too good to be true, it usually isn't true!
If you ask the realtor if the bank really agreed on theshort sale price...they often can't say "yes or no"...you will get a long answer without clearly stating it is approved for the amount, since the banks won't give an amount...they might have stated "we will take a look at an offer"!
So it is nothing more than a sales tactic!
If it was really true, why would a realtor take so long for a cash buyer to get the deal done, if the amount is approved....
01-18-2010, 07:37 AM
Location: Florida
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I'm merely a mortal when it comes to overcoming the uphill battle that is making sense of/purchasing a shortsale. But, my husband and I bought our first house on December 29, 2009-a 5 month and 23 day start to finish shortsale purchase.
My, oh, my- the time did NOT fly. I don't have the time to go through every pain staking detail. But, basically it was our third shortsale offer. We started the home buying process March 2009. We came within days of closing and the PMI(?) company found the sellers to be fraudulent because they took out a HELOC loan and ran! The sellers ended up buying another house in a different state with the money. The comical part was that Regions gave them the second mortgage. But, that's neither here nor there.
The second house we tried to purchase had a shifty realtor representing the sellers. He told us our offer wouldn't be secondary, but then it turned out to be. I guess that meant we were going to have to wait until the bank approved/rejected/countered the other party's offer before ours would be considered. We let that go.
We ended up getting the house we bought @ $112,500- the sellers paid $222,000 back in 2006. So, was it worth the wait? Absolutely!!! You have to have an extreme amount of patience and dedication to make it though. You have to ask yourself if the ends justifies the means. For us, it did.
On a side note, I found I had more issues with outside people, like the appraiser. She did such a shoddy job of finding the best comparables that our mortgage broker swore we needed to come up with $7k. We talked about it and at that point hubby and I were so exhausted from the whole ordeal, we said no thanks. Our realtor was the one who ended up finding the comps and made the apparaiser go back and rework the numbers (this delayed us about a week). By the time we sat down to close, they ended up taking $1,000 off the principal. I never did here from my mortgage broker again, shocking
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What a stressful, emotional roller coaster ride first time home buying experience. Well, it's not all bad, I got a 50% discount.
To the OP, I understand your point about wanting to get into a house immediately. It sucks to live out of boxes for 6 months. But, if you can find the time/patience you can get a hell of a deal. Good luck!
01-18-2010, 08:40 AM
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In Hillsborough County, approximately 50% of the listed properties are short sales. In Pinellas County, it's approximately 60%; and in Pasco County, it's more like 75%. Closing a short has a lot of factors to consider, particularly, is the owner insolvent. Lender acceptance of the seller's hardship is half the battle. The other half the battle is getting lender acceptance on a contract.
Wow this is a way higher percentage than I would have thought. Question, does the realtor have to disclose on their website when the price they're offering is a short sale? I have seen quite a few sites that do say "short sale" but I'm wondering if possibly there are more that aren't disclosing it up front.
01-18-2010, 09:08 AM
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Just because you are buying a short sale or a home that is 50% off the 2006 price does NOT mean you are getting a deal or a discount. In fact, you may still be overpaying.
01-18-2010, 09:19 AM
Location: Florida
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Just because you are buying a short sale or a home that is 50% off the 2006 price does NOT mean you are getting a deal or a discount. In fact, you may still be overpaying.
The fact that my mortgage is what I would be paying for rent means (to me, maybe not to you) that I did, in fact, not overpay. Have a lovely day....
01-18-2010, 10:59 AM
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The fact that my mortgage is what I would be paying for rent means (to me, maybe not to you) that I did, in fact, not overpay. Have a lovely day....
Ultimately, anything on the market these days is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. If you feel you got a good deal, than that is awesome for you!
Congrats on your new home!!!!
I totally agree with the mortgage/rent thing. I am really looking forward to owning again. I've been in an apt for a year after a recent divorce and LMTY, it's been sucky. I am spoiled on the not having attached neighbors thing. lol. For the same amount or less, I can own much more.
01-18-2010, 11:12 AM
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ladyspeed6
Ultimately, anything on the market these days is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. If you feel you got a good deal, than that is awesome for you!
Congrats on your new home!!!!
I totally agree with the mortgage/rent thing. I am really looking forward to owning again. I've been in an apt for a year after a recent divorce and LMTY, it's been sucky. I am spoiled on the not having attached neighbors thing. lol. For the same amount or less, I can own much more.
Thanks for the congrats! It's nice to hear it above negativity. On the apartment thing: After living next door to a drug addict who keyed my car one night when he was high, having a drunk man think the apartment I lived in was his ex-girlfriends and try to bang down my door in a stupor, and having another neighbor siphon electric from the light post outside, I am ecstatic to not share a wall with anyone besides my kitties
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People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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