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Old 03-31-2011, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Originally Posted by Wilson513 View Post
My anger comes from my concern for this Country and the children of the future. It is called "fear" and it is indeed a powerful motivating force. Did you notice what happened back in November?

The candidates that I supported at the local level here in Cincinnati, Ohio (flyover country to you liberal academics) specifically Shanon Jones, introduced SB5 which was passed by both houses of the Ohio Legislature (remember that Sherrod Brown the most radical leftist other than Bernie Sanders was elected Senator from Ohio in 2008) and should be signed into law today banning collective bargaining for public employees. I live 10 miles from John Boehner and know many of his supporters up in Butler County which is adjacent to Cincinnati. I think you will find that his supporters are "Tea People" who will respond just as I have.

Yes, my anger and that of the Tea People serves us well.

So, you're angry at teachers because you consider them a big drain on the economy.

But the hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars given to Wall St to keep corrupt investment banks afloat, that they immediately turned around and passed out as bonus checks to the very executives who drove the economy into the ditch is of little or no concern to the tea people. Matter of fact, you think those guys deserve more tax breaks.

Domestic mega-corps with billions in yearly profits pay no taxes, yet that's not on your radar.

It's teachers and schools that are the problem.

 
Old 03-31-2011, 12:03 PM
 
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So, you're angry at teachers because you consider them a big drain on the economy.

But the hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars given to Wall St to keep corrupt investment banks afloat, that they immediately turned around and passed out as bonus checks to the very executives who drove the economy into the ditch is of little or no concern to the tea people. Matter of fact, you think those guys deserve more tax breaks.

Domestic mega-corps with billions in yearly profits pay no taxes, yet that's not on your radar.

It's teachers and schools that are the problem.
Your rhetorical technique is totally disingenuous, but then you probably know that don't you. Liberals get in the habit of arguing like they are speaking to slow learners. I can't figure out if it comes from their constant association with other libs, or the delusional theories that they embrace.

Those evil corporations that you want to use to distract this discussion are actually owned by me, probably you, and tens of millions of other Americans (through their IRA's and pension plans) who have worked hard enough and lived frugally enough to actually buy shares of their stock. We also sell to those companies and are employed by them.

The "useful idiots" of Lenin's reference are still with us and carrying the water for those unionized, socialist anti-capitalists and globalists of the present.

90% of African Americans voted for BO. They now have the highest AA unemployment since the Reconstruction. How's that working out for them?

We just want our country back. Here is the future (and the present) for socialism in a statist country:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfGLB8LO1aM

Here are the useful idiots:

State says damage to marble at Capitol could hit $7.5 million


http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/117340918.html

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Old 03-31-2011, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Central FL
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Here we see a great example of the fallacy that ALL teachers are Liberal/commies/socialists who want to indoctrinate the kids about gays and teach that Columbus was a pawn of the slave trade.

Seriously, where do people get this nonsense? What the schools are teaching is not determined by the little peon teacher. The big decisions are made by lobbyists/textbook companies/ lawmakers, and district officials.

If parents want to get angry over the curriculum, they need to take it up with the district officials who set policy! Ditto with the budget. If you think the school budget dollars are being mismanaged (and they are all over the country), voters and parents need to get in front of the board and demand answers. Voting down tax options won't do it because the powers that be will NOT remove their own jobs and cut the fat. Instead, the classroom teachers will be cut and student learning will suffer.

If teachers try to speak out, they are "crybaby complainers" and worse, are just plain out fired (in many areas without unions and now in the case of FL, where every new teacher will be on annual contract forever). If a teacher tries to point things out to his/her Principal, then a target in now on that person's back. There is no guarantee that you can keep your job with a district, even if you are the best teacher they have ever seen in terms of test scores and learning gains. Tick off the wrong person and your career is OVER.

We have a drastic lack of Principal talent nationwide. We also have an acute shortage of discipline and classroom control. Teachers cannot work in a bubble, but few members of the public realize just how much the deck is stacked against success in our schools today.
 
Old 03-31-2011, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Central FL
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Divide and conquer. Liberals vs. Conservatives and we all go down in FLAMES.
 
Old 03-31-2011, 12:14 PM
 
Location: On a Slow-Sinking Granite Rock Up North
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Schools are like prisons - they look like prisons and they function like prisons. They are another "industrial complex" gone awry. Corporate education.

"Corporate education"

Maybe we ought to think twice before we accept monetary carrots (with too many uninformed strings attached) from major corporations (a vast majority of whom ship actual jobs overseas) and guilt-ridden philanthropists hell-bent on changing the world.

Or at the very least, make sure they have some sort of experience and working knowlege of how diversely children learn instead of focusing on making them 'good widgets' in a global economy.
 
Old 03-31-2011, 12:17 PM
 
Location: AK
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I definitely don't fit into any of those categories, but don't tell anyone. Teachers can't be anything but socialists, apparently.
 
Old 03-31-2011, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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Originally Posted by mb919 View Post
That was my exact thought- if teachers were to do this, the media and politicians would throw up their arms and say, "There they go again- making yet more demands so they can get away with doing even less work than they already do."
So teachers will strike over benefits at the drop of a hat or get their students to join them in an anti-war rally during school hours but you won't protest for something that may honestly improve the education of your students. Very telling.
 
Old 03-31-2011, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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If you would read the past several pages, you'll find plenty of examples. Look for slogans like "puppets of their corporate masters" for example and other similar slogans.

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Originally Posted by MovedfromFL View Post
Here we see a great example of the fallacy that ALL teachers are Liberal/commies/socialists who want to indoctrinate the kids about gays and teach that Columbus was a pawn of the slave trade.

Seriously, where do people get this nonsense? What the schools are teaching is not determined by the little peon teacher. The big decisions are made by lobbyists/textbook companies/ lawmakers, and district officials.

If parents want to get angry over the curriculum, they need to take it up with the district officials who set policy! Ditto with the budget. If you think the school budget dollars are being mismanaged (and they are all over the country), voters and parents need to get in front of the board and demand answers. Voting down tax options won't do it because the powers that be will NOT remove their own jobs and cut the fat. Instead, the classroom teachers will be cut and student learning will suffer.

If teachers try to speak out, they are "crybaby complainers" and worse, are just plain out fired (in many areas without unions and now in the case of FL, where every new teacher will be on annual contract forever). If a teacher tries to point things out to his/her Principal, then a target in now on that person's back. There is no guarantee that you can keep your job with a district, even if you are the best teacher they have ever seen in terms of test scores and learning gains. Tick off the wrong person and your career is OVER.

We have a drastic lack of Principal talent nationwide. We also have an acute shortage of discipline and classroom control. Teachers cannot work in a bubble, but few members of the public realize just how much the deck is stacked against success in our schools today.
 
Old 03-31-2011, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
14,100 posts, read 28,530,849 times
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It's amazing the number of teachers here on a non-education related website during a school work day. Are you teaching on auto pilot? No wonder why so many students can't hardly read upon graduation.
 
Old 03-31-2011, 12:54 PM
 
Location: AK
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They happen to be reading right now. It's reading class, and they are reading silently.
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