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Unread 06-09-2012, 08:50 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I think it's more due to student behavior. When I went to school the class sizes were 30+ and I don't recall hardly any behavior problems.

You could have a class size of 15 and have it be a nightmare class based on the students alone.
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Unread 06-09-2012, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Whoville....
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I think it's more due to student behavior. When I went to school the class sizes were 30+ and I don't recall hardly any behavior problems.

You could have a class size of 15 and have it be a nightmare class based on the students alone.
I agree with you there. When I was a kid, if I acted like the kids do in my classes, my parents would have backhanded me into tomorrow AFTER the principal used his holey paddle on my behind.

Other countries can get away with large class sizes because education is a privlidige not a right and kids know they can and will be kicked out of class/school if they do not toe the line. Here we defend the child no matter what. We really need to stop doing that.
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Unread 06-09-2012, 11:08 PM
 
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Class sizes have gotten insane. In the charter school I taught at I'd start the year with 35 students in a class and I taught chemistry and physics!!!! Research shows that chemistry and physics classes should not be larger than 24. It is, simply, not safe to conduct labs with larger classes.
Absolutely. We had to dissect frogs without lab labs, on rickety old desks, with 34 students. We go over lab training and safety as a department every year, which talks about the research you mentioned. And then we are sent off to our rooms, filled wall to wall with students and are expected to hand them acid and scalpels! It's unreal.
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Unread 06-10-2012, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Whoville....
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Absolutely. We had to dissect frogs without lab labs, on rickety old desks, with 34 students. We go over lab training and safety as a department every year, which talks about the research you mentioned. And then we are sent off to our rooms, filled wall to wall with students and are expected to hand them acid and scalpels! It's unreal.
The worst part is something most teachers don't know. If a student is hurt, the teacher is personally liable. The student's parents can sue the teacher in addition to the school. The school actually has a defense. They can say that the teacher was not supposed to conduct labs that are unsafe. The teacher has no defense as they chose to conduct the lab in spite of the conditions.

No job is worth me losing my retirement and my kids losing their college savings and home. When I learned this I informed the charter school I would no longer do labs under those conditions so they fired me and hired someone else who didn't realize that they were putting their future on the line by doing labs under those conditions. The very same research that is discussed each year would be used to hang, not the school, but the teacher, out to dry.
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Unread 06-14-2012, 03:24 AM
 
Location: interior Alaska
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This is the reality of working k-12. They can put you anywhere you are certified/"highly qualified" to teach. The bottom line is that if you don't want to teach a particular subject, you shouldn't get certified in it, because it's possible a school will park you there even if it's not a good fit. I have seen several teachers get multiple certifications in order to make themselves more employable, and then get upset when the district utilizes the "wrong" certification...well, what were they expecting, really?
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Unread 06-14-2012, 08:20 AM
 
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Or the flip side happens...I have multiple certifications in SPED. I have done it for over 20 years. I finished my School Counseling degree, and unpaid interndhip I did for free, for an entire summer. I was ready to be a counselor. I have the experience, and credentials. And I was just done with SPED. And...my supervisor would not release me to get other jobs in the district. He could keep me in my position for three more years. I had no choice. Yes I did, I was SO pissed I quit. Screw that. He could not believe I up and quit. I did, and found a better job, with more pay, more freedom, travel, and upward mobility opportunities. I should thank him for being such an a hole. I would have never left my job, I loved it. But...- was not going to be told what I could and could not do....no reason not to let me be a school counselor, except that I made his job easy, I basically ran three departments, without admin pay, and there were no problems with parents or IEP compliance and documentation. I made his job too easy.

If you don't like how you are treated by a school district, don't be afraid to leave.
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Unread 06-14-2012, 10:19 AM
 
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Or the flip side happens...I have multiple certifications in SPED. I have done it for over 20 years. I finished my School Counseling degree, and unpaid interndhip I did for free, for an entire summer. I was ready to be a counselor. I have the experience, and credentials. And I was just done with SPED. And...my supervisor would not release me to get other jobs in the district. He could keep me in my position for three more years. I had no choice. Yes I did, I was SO pissed I quit. Screw that. He could not believe I up and quit. I did, and found a better job, with more pay, more freedom, travel, and upward mobility opportunities. I should thank him for being such an a hole. I would have never left my job, I loved it. But...- was not going to be told what I could and could not do....no reason not to let me be a school counselor, except that I made his job easy, I basically ran three departments, without admin pay, and there were no problems with parents or IEP compliance and documentation. I made his job too easy.

If you don't like how you are treated by a school district, don't be afraid to leave.
Congratulations! Great advice. Good people with good skills will always find a place to be successful.
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Unread 06-14-2012, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Whoville....
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This is the reality of working k-12. They can put you anywhere you are certified/"highly qualified" to teach. The bottom line is that if you don't want to teach a particular subject, you shouldn't get certified in it, because it's possible a school will park you there even if it's not a good fit. I have seen several teachers get multiple certifications in order to make themselves more employable, and then get upset when the district utilizes the "wrong" certification...well, what were they expecting, really?
I'm not upset because they used the wrong cert. I'm upset because they used MY cert to hire someone else who didn't have the certs for the position. I was shoved aside to make room for him. If they had a need for me to teach math, so beit. they didn't have a need until they decided to hire someone who didn't have half of the requirements for the position. The only way this makes sense is if he's THAT MUCH better than me at teaching chemistry, in which case, I've just been kicked to the curb for him and I don't like that. If I'm not the best candidate for the job, I don't need the job.

Wish me luck. I just found out that one of the engineers I worked under when I first started in engineering is now a plant manager at a plant about an hour and a half from where I live and he's hiring engineers. An hour and a half is a long commute but if the money is right, it could be doable. I'm just worried that the money won't be right given I've been out of engineering for 5 years. All I can do is ask for what I need. Worst case is they say no.

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