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Old 04-20-2008, 06:07 PM
 
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Ok- to the people that say teachers are babysitters- and we know that during the school year the teachers probably see the children more than their own parents...soooooooooo if teachers are babysitters....then teachers should be paid as babysitters...back when I was 12 (oh...say 23 years ago) I charged $5.00 per child per hour, and I am sure the price has gone up, but you know what.....so let's pay these babysitters $5.00 per child per hour, for every day they have the children. No holiday pay, nothing like that. There's 180 school days, right? 7 hours in a school day (we won't let the teacher get paid for her lunch). A teacher has...let's say 20 children. Holy crap- that's $126K a year!!! Yeah!!! Please please please pay teachers as babysitters!

 
Old 04-20-2008, 06:22 PM
 
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Ok- to the people that say teachers are babysitters- and we know that during the school year the teachers probably see the children more than their own parents...soooooooooo if teachers are babysitters....then teachers should be paid as babysitters...back when I was 12 (oh...say 23 years ago) I charged $5.00 per child per hour, and I am sure the price has gone up, but you know what.....so let's pay these babysitters $5.00 per child per hour, for every day they have the children. No holiday pay, nothing like that. There's 180 school days, right? 7 hours in a school day (we won't let the teacher get paid for her lunch). A teacher has...let's say 20 children. Holy crap- that's $126K a year!!! Yeah!!! Please please please pay teachers as babysitters!
I've seen that argument a number of times. It's another indicator why teachers don't deserve what they get... or, atleast, get no respect from me. Propaganda over reason...
 
Old 04-20-2008, 07:37 PM
 
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If the children are untaught, their ignorance and vices will in future life cost us much dearer in their consequences than it would have done in their correction by a good education.
--Thomas Jefferson

If one sees the value in educating our youth, why not do so wholeheartedly by supporting those who successfully do just that?
 
Old 04-20-2008, 07:47 PM
 
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My brother-in-Law says that Firefighters are the most overrated profession. They work little and sit on their rear-ends most of the time, as he says.
 
Old 04-20-2008, 07:52 PM
 
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My brother-in-Law says that Firefighters are the most overrated profession. They work little and sit on their rear-ends most of the time, as he says.
He would change his tune if they saved his life by risking their own.
 
Old 04-20-2008, 07:54 PM
 
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Well, I'll jump in on the dumping on teachers side of the discussion. My background is that I went to public schools, and have an advanced college degree. In addition, my wife has a college degree in Ed, and we have raised two sons who both went to public schools, and have graduated college. We also have a "special" child, who is now beyond her school years.

I generally have a poor impression of the education process, and to a degree, many teachers. I have had dealings with dozens of teachers through the generations, and while many are conscientious, many more were going through the motions and just getting their "facts" out. My own experience with public schools in the late 1950's through late 1960's was that most of my teachers were "reading" the stuff in our books, and not adding much in the way of insights or context. Few teachers really took the trouble to make learning interesting, and the process felt very stilted, with the teachers frequently being somewhat condescending.

I thought that my point of view would change as an adult, who had gotten past this experience as was advanced in the workforce. It didn't, practically every bad impression I had was reinforced when dealing with my kids teachers. The lack of creativity, or willingness to try new technologies in conveying information was troubling. I found schools to be very closed in their process, and after a few initial attempts I just gave up trying to be constructively engaging in the school process. I let my kids know that this is something you get through for future achievement, and went to a process of paying for grades to get them intellectually involved. It worked wonders, and both have graduated their universities with over 3.5 GPA's, and are doing very well in their chosen careers.

I'd love to give the schools and teachers much of the credit, but in reality my resentment of the education system and process really has only been reinforced. I don't say this as one who fared poorly in life, I now enjoy a wonderful retirement and very fulfilling life. But my honest opinion of schools is that we need a voucher process in the worst way, and this should be done to open up the creativity process in education (with some objective and measurable standards and benchmarks).
What would you suggest to "open up the creativity process in education"? Provide an example.
 
Old 04-20-2008, 08:09 PM
 
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My brother-in-Law says that Firefighters are the most overrated profession. They work little and sit on their rear-ends most of the time, as he says.
Trying to get this back on topic: Every profession has their critics. Every profession has their good and not so good workers.
 
Old 04-20-2008, 08:13 PM
 
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If one sees the value in educating our youth, why not do so wholeheartedly by supporting those who successfully do just that?
You're tying successful professionals to the entire field. As a previous poster cited, those who deserve respect, get respect.

A more valid question, in my opinion, if the profession of teaching is due such respect, why don't they earn it rather than demand it via their union?
 
Old 04-20-2008, 08:43 PM
 
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You're tying successful professionals to the entire field. As a previous poster cited, those who deserve respect, get respect. A more valid question, in my opinion, if the profession of teaching is due such respect, why don't they earn it rather than demand it via their union?
Good question.

Another poster earlier had these words of wisdom to share, "Proving the perception wrong is one way to change the perception."
 
Old 04-20-2008, 08:58 PM
 
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Good question.

Another poster earlier had these words of wisdom to share, "Proving the perception wrong is one way to change the perception."
Yep... and I think that it's impossible to do so. The question of "why isn't the profession of teaching respected?" Is answered by the fact that it's a profession that relies on socialism in a capitalistic country (which means the profession relies on force for it's existence) and it's a profession that has chosen to use strong-arm tactics (via union) to force people to pay for them which is also contrary to American values.

Anyway you cut it, teaching in America is-- and should be-- resented because it's wholly dependant on force in a country that's assumed to be free.
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