And I can't get a teaching Job??? (careers, principal, license) - Issues affecting teachers - City-Data Forum

histo320 · 10-15-2008, 11:58 AM

Along with many of you out there who are licensed teachers with no teaching job, and wondering why you aren't hired, maybe we should become more like these people.

Ex-teacher gets probation, weekend jail for child porn | CITIZEN-TIMES.com | Asheville Citizen-Times

The News-Gazette.com: Two more civil suits related to Jon White filed (http://www.newsgazette.com/news/local/2008/10/15/two_more_civil_suits_related_to_jon_white_filed - broken link)

Private Girl's School Teacher Busted for Child Porn (http://www.ktla.com/content_landing_page/?Private-Girls-School-Teacher-Busted-for-=1&blockID=84877&feedID=171 - broken link)

Tulsa Teacher Busted For Drugs - FOX23 News

After reading each of these, it just makes me wonder how these people ever became teachers.

Old Gringo · 10-15-2008, 02:56 PM

Teaching jobs seem to be pretty variable. If you're certified in an area of shortage, like science, math, or certain languages, you'll have no trouble finding work almost anywhere.

If you're certified in an area that has excess applicants, like elementary ed or PE, then you'll have a tougher time of it.

It's all about the certification.

charz · 10-16-2008, 12:39 PM

I am so sick of people, who after reading a story about one teacher who did something stupid and illegal, believe that every teacher is corrupt and evil. Even my own husband (after seeing a story about one teacher on TV) asked me, "When did it become fashionable for teachers to sleep with their students?" I replied, "Never!"

I'm sorry you haven't found a teaching job, but please quit assuming that every person who has a teaching job is bad. I don't believe that every postal worker is a gun-toting madman and that every priest is a child molester. I look at each person as an individual. Please do the same for me. I am a law-abiding teacher who does not abuse students, do drugs, have sex with anyone other than my husband, view child porn, or commit any other crimes. I am an effective teacher who expects the best from her students and treats her students and their parents with respect. Look at me--not the news media.

New2Oro · 10-16-2008, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by charz

I am so sick of people, who after reading a story about one teacher who did something stupid and illegal, believe that every teacher is corrupt and evil. Even my own husband (after seeing a story about one teacher on TV) asked me, "When did it become fashionable for teachers to sleep with their students?" I replied, "Never!"

I'm sorry you haven't found a teaching job, but please quit assuming that every person who has a teaching job is bad. I don't believe that every postal worker is a gun-toting madman and that every priest is a child molester. I look at each person as an individual. Please do the same for me. I am a law-abiding teacher who does not abuse students, do drugs, have sex with anyone other than my husband, view child porn, or commit any other crimes. I am an effective teacher who expects the best from her students and treats her students and their parents with respect. Look at me--not the news media.

I totally understand your frustration with people who read one news story and stereotype a large group of people....

....however, In defense of the original poster...I don't think there was any assumption made that every person who has a teaching job is bad. I think the original poster was just commenting on the fact that he/she would like to have a teaching job and it is frustrating for her/him to know that positions are sometimes filled with poor quality people- rather than a law abiding citizen, like you, or like the original poster. i.e. the teaching jobs are taken up by those who don't deserve them.

Although.. I could be wrong. Wouldn't want to put words in the original poster's mouth.

texdav · 10-16-2008, 01:23 PM

I think your right but it seems that there are alot more than one story or even two stories. I have seen dozens of stories. But I think it is One bad just that they are now being covered more like the bad cop stories.

Sam82 · 10-16-2008, 06:42 PM

In NYC public school system alone, there are 80,000 teachers. A few random teachers doing the wrong thing does not mean that many teachers are bad or commit crimes.

OP, many people are having a hard time finding a job. Unfortunately, it is s sign of the times. Don't give up. Look for private schools or a job as an assistant.

maf763 · 10-16-2008, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by histo320

maybe we should become more like these people.

Try that, then get back to us and let us know how it works out.

histo320 · 10-16-2008, 09:04 PM

I am just stating the fact that many teachers are a very bad influence on OUR children.

I am somewhat frustrated that I can't get a job but there are child molesters and drug addicts teaching our Children!!!! I am not grouping all teachers into the same category, but rather saying, there are many upstanding individuals looking for teaching jobs that are not getting them because tenured teachers (like child molesters, drug addicts, drug dealers) are maintaining their jobs while having extremely NEGATIVE relationships with the students.

Anyone who has is a certified teacher should not do these things. It is a major problem with the system.

So you do a good job for 3-5 years. That DOES NOT MAKE YOU A GOOD TEACHER!! Many of the TENURED teacher I have seen and worked with just go through the motions and people wonder WHAT IS WRONG WITH OUR EDUCATION SYSTEM???

One word TENURE!!!!

SXMGirl · 10-17-2008, 05:23 AM

One of the things that I have found in public school is that no one (the principal, superintendent, experienced teachers) really explains appropriate behavior to new teachers. Of course, everyone thinks that if you are an adult that you know how to behave. That is absolutely not the case. We have young and not-so-young teachers who do not dress appropriately, who allow themselves to be alone in classrooms with students of the opposite sex, etc.

Then again, I have seen careers ruined because of accusations that were later found to be false. The news media can't let go of the individual case where inappropriate behavior occurs. Yet, how many stories do you read where the teacher has been exonerated. Not too many.

If you want a career in education, special ed is always hiring. Just use common sense around your students.

You may need to relocate for a good job and schools do not pay for relocation.

stepka · 10-17-2008, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SXMGirl

One of the things that I have found in public school is that no one (the principal, superintendent, experienced teachers) really explains appropriate behavior to new teachers. Of course, everyone thinks that if you are an adult that you know how to behave. That is absolutely not the case. We have young and not-so-young teachers who do not dress appropriately, who allow themselves to be alone in classrooms with students of the opposite sex, etc.

Oh puhleeze. You mean a child molester didn't know that he/she was supposed to do that and if only someone had explained it all in the interview, it would not have happened? Teachers aren't getting busted for dressing a little too sexy--they're getting busted for crossing a major line, and I'll bet a million bucks that they knew they were crossing it when they did it. They do need to have it explained about not being alone with students so that they don't get wrongfully accused, but I had that explained to me when I went to be a sub, and I had minimal training.

I feel your pain histo320. It doesn't even have to be a spectular case like you've mentioned. I've seen some teachers pass off wrong info so much I'm starting to doubt my own knowledge. I've seen some excellent teachers too, but sometimes it seems like it runs 1/2 and 1/2, and I know I could do a better job than some of these teachers.