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Old 12-04-2011, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Midwest transplant
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Ivorytickler~

We'd snatch you up in a hearbeat in our district, and pay you for all of your years of experience in education (and you could probably negotiate for a few of your industry years as well). Your dual certification would make you so marketable they wouldn't bat an eye at what they had to pay to get you.
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Old 12-04-2011, 05:34 PM
 
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Sure you could put a Health Aide in to do those things. Then you'd complain that the Kindergarten class was costing too much because you'd still have the teacher there. Doing the things that they do which, in today's education world, means that when when that kid leaves Kindergarten he/she has the skills that a 1st grader had leaving that grade 20 years ago.
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Quote:"Sure you could put a Health Aide in to do those things. Then you'd complain that the Kindergarten class was costing too much because you'd still have the teacher there."

My intent was to state that the Health Aide would replace the 'teacher'.

I don't care what schooling costs, as now how I have set up my family's life: we pay no property tax (except for police/fire/roads support), we pay no income tax (other than Federal, but almost all is buried in tax-deferred investments), and no state tax. (Live Free or Die!)

I didn't make the schooling mess... I just chose to not have anything to do with it, in any way.
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Old 12-04-2011, 05:43 PM
 
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I don't care what schooling costs, as now how I have set up my family's life: we pay no property tax (except for police/fire/roads support), we pay no income tax (other than Federal, but almost all is buried in tax-deferred investments), and no state tax. (Live Free or Die!)

Didn't you say

"I dump $1500/month in property tax just to support the school system"

??????
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Old 12-05-2011, 07:34 AM
 
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Didn't you say

"I dump $1500/month in property tax just to support the school system"

??????
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I did say that, and I do pay that. I am in the process of moving just a little distance away, to unincorporated land (I stated that in another post). No school taxes whatsoever. Live Free or Die!
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Old 01-13-2012, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Brazil
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But many of the teachers who are making the higher salaries have be 25+ years working in their school districts. So I think that needs to be considered.
You might start at a decent salary (say $40,000-ish as you state,) but generally, it will take those teachers 25 years to get to the $80,000 plus levels.

Of course you can move up to that faster by getting master or doctoral degrees, special certifications or administrative certifications i.e. vice principal, principal, etc.

I still think that overall, for the continued professional development required for teachers and the need for masters degrees and such, it is still a profession that is underpaid.
You can just look up salary and assume a teacher is being overpaid because they are NOT.
Teacher unfortunately underpaid.
And beside teachers should have the best salary how do you think you got where you have gotten through a teacher right? (thesixth )

I agree with you it is a underpaid profession that is for sure.
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Old 01-13-2012, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Brazil
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Sure you could put a Health Aide in to do those things. Then you'd complain that the Kindergarten class was costing too much because you'd still have the teacher there. Doing the things that they do which, in today's education world, means that when when that kid leaves Kindergarten he/she has the skills that a 1st grader had leaving that grade 20 years ago.
i think that teacher aide should get the same salary as a teacher...

because imagine in a classroom with like 20 kids ages 3 and 4 who does the most work is a teacher aide the teacher things she is above that smalls stuff..

I mean seriously there are some teachers who abuse the work of a teacher aide making them do all the work while they just sit there.
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Old 01-13-2012, 03:58 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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I did say that, and I do pay that. I am in the process of moving just a little distance away, to unincorporated land (I stated that in another post). No school taxes whatsoever. Live Free or Die!

I don't quite understand this. Are you saying that if you live in an unincorporated area that you pay no school taxes? Does that then mean that those that live in incorporated areas pay the entire freight for schools and for the kids from the unincorporated areas?
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Old 01-13-2012, 03:59 PM
 
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Romila, Children here in the US start kindergarten at age 5. Any reported salaries are going to be for children in K - 12. In Pennsylvania, where the salaries are the starting topic, kindergarten is not state mandated. A teachers aide rarely has to do any lesson planning and is in the classroom mainly to assist the teacher. She is normally not a co-teacher and in some schools is not state certified.
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Old 01-14-2012, 04:18 AM
 
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Romila, Children here in the US start kindergarten at age 5. Any reported salaries are going to be for children in K - 12. In Pennsylvania, where the salaries are the starting topic, kindergarten is not state mandated. A teachers aide rarely has to do any lesson planning and is in the classroom mainly to assist the teacher. She is normally not a co-teacher and in some schools is not state certified.
True you have a point.
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Old 01-14-2012, 07:37 AM
 
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I don't quite understand this. Are you saying that if you live in an unincorporated area that you pay no school taxes? Does that then mean that those that live in incorporated areas pay the entire freight for schools and for the kids from the unincorporated areas?
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Quote:"I don't quite understand this. Are you saying that if you live in an unincorporated area that you pay no school taxes?

In one word, yes. (Frequently, though there are exceptions).

Quote:"Does that then mean that those that live in incorporated areas pay the entire freight for schools and for the kids from the unincorporated areas?"

In another single word, No.

As a strong believer in 'pay for the services you use', (fire protection, police protection, state roads plowed, etc)... that is the attraction to unincorporated land. If you have kids living with you on unincorporated land, you better bring your checkbook, and find somewhere for them to go to school, which is the way it should be.
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