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Old 06-29-2012, 06:06 AM
 
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I really hate it when those socialist firemen put out those poor folk homes when they are on fire.
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Old 06-29-2012, 06:24 AM
 
Location: Knoxville, Tennessee
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Actually one of my issues is with communities that take local taxpayer money and give it to local charities or create their own local social service Government agency. . This equates to stealing the just earnings of honest men and forcefully redistributing it to those the Government deems worthy. In many cases honest men are forced to support lifestyles they oppose on religious or other principles.

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huh?

Please direct me to a community that takes taxpayer money and gives it to charity. I would like a link to this, please.
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Old 06-29-2012, 10:35 AM
 
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huh?

Please direct me to a community that takes taxpayer money and gives it to charity. I would like a link to this, please.
Hi hiknapster, nice to hear from you again.

Actually many do. Of specific relevance and the thing that triggered this post was one of the communities I was actively pursuing is considering it now: Cookeville. It had it as an agenda item on their June 28th docket. It is item 3 and referenced below. Please note the use of the phrase "charitable organizations".

http://www.cookeville-tn.org/citycle...ial%20Call.pdf

COOKEVILLE CITY COUNCIL
AGENDA
SPECIAL CALLED MEETING
JUNE 28, 2012
10:00 A.M.
CALL TO ORDER-ROLL CALL
INVOCATION-PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
Item 1 Consider approval of agenda as presented.
OLD BUSINESS:
Item 2 Hold a public hearing and consider on second and final reading Ordinance #O120611, providing a
tax levy for the 2012-2013 fiscal year. SPONSOR-MIKE DAVIDSON
Item 3 Hold a public hearing and consider on second and final reading Ordinance #O120612, authorizing
appropriations for financial aid to public service, non-profit, and charitable organizations for the
2012-2013 fiscal year. SPONSOR-MIKE DAVIDSON

I called the clerk and it did pass, as it does each year. I will admit I am impressed that they have a far more investigatory process that many communities, in that they do investigate the organizations requesting funding. They seem like delightful people.

My community grants public funds to charities, non-profits, and religious institutions on a regular basis even though I have pointed out many of their disbursements are in violation of Federal Law (Federal Immigration and Nationality Act Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii)). So do the surrounding communities. I should point out I am elected official for a minor public office. Sometimes you have to read the tea leaves for what they are; hence the quest.

Despite the baiting comments of some posters I am trying not to make this a political thread. I just want information. However hiknapster if you wish to discuss it privaetly I would be happy to do so as you always seem to have even keeled informative responses to issues.

Kindest regards.

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Old 06-29-2012, 01:17 PM
 
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As an addendum, some communities did or do have a method I find far more palatable for handling this (I say did or do as the last time I noticed this was couple of communizes in Arkansas back in the 80s .) On the property tax form there is/was a check off box where you can make a voluntary contribution to a charitable acts fund, the municipality then distributed those proceeds to the organizations based on the input of a panel of citizens. Hence the act of charity was voluntary and the Government merely a facilitator of convenience. People were still free to independently interact with a charity or social service agency of their own accord and of course were free to choose not to do so.

Contrast that with the aforementioned example.

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Old 06-29-2012, 02:35 PM
 
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Here are the non-profit and charitable organizations that received funding from the city of Cookeville for the last fiscal year and the amounts they received:

Putnam County Library - $296,557
Cookeville Senior Citizens Center - $47,530
Upper Cumberland Regional Airport - $28,000
Cookeville-Putnam County Chamber of Commerce - $60,000
Emergency Management Agency - $25,400
CityScape (downtown beautification) - $32,417
Cookeville Arts Council - $18,608
Cumberland Arts Society - $1,901
Tennessee Rehabilitation Center (training the handicapped for employment) - $48,589
Cookeville Clean Commission (citywide beautification) - $11,270
Meals on Wheels - $1,901
Genesis House (Alliance Against Domestic Violence) - $11,407
Helping Hands of Putnam County - $11,407
WCTE Public Television - $10,000
H.J. Stephens Center for Child Abuse - $2,377
Kids-Putnam - $7,000
Upper Cumberland Drug Court - $7,500
Putnam County Imagination Library - $10,000

Out of a city budget of $39,191,226, the city gave $631,864 to non-profits (and about half of that was to the library). That's 1.6% of the total budget.

This information can be found here:
http://www.cookeville-tn.org/account...UDGET%2011.pdf

I'm sorry, but I don't see anything unusual there. I'd be curious, though, to see if the 1.6% that Cookeville gives to non-profits is lower or higher than other towns in Tennessee.
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Old 06-29-2012, 03:15 PM
 
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I'm sorry, but I don't see anything unusual there. I'd be curious, though, to see if the 1.6% that Cookeville gives to non-profits is lower or higher than other towns in Tennessee.
Nothing looks really out-of-whack to me, either. Almost all of that serves public use or benefit (education, commerce, arts)...and the small amounts benefiting "social" programs like child abuse and domestic violence are hardly political in nature.
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Old 06-29-2012, 03:26 PM
 
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I'm sorry, but I don't see any expenditures there that aren't something I would want my city to support.
And that is the key. You personally value those items of benevolence and believe it is the proper prevue of the Government to force others into an act of charity where as I consider it a theft of personal property. To each their own. As I stated I am looking for my own personal Shangri-La. It seems you have found yours, I am happy for you.

In other words the point of this thread is to find a more conservative community not end up in a debate of political and social opinion. I am not trying to insult anyone's community or belief, I am just trying to find a community with values more in accord with my own.

I am sure you have deep convictions in your views as I do in mine. Discussion is unlikely to dissuade either of us from our respective view.

But I do appreciate your polite tone.

Kindest regards.
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Old 06-29-2012, 03:39 PM
 
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And that is the key. You personally value those items of benevolence and believe it is the proper prevue of the Government to force others into an act of charity where as I consider it a theft of personal property. To each their own. As I stated I am looking for my own personal Shangri-La. It seems you have found yours, I am happy for you.

In other words the point of this thread is to find a more conservative community not end up in a debate of political and social opinion. I am not trying to insult anyone's community or belief, I am just trying to find a community with values more in accord with my own.

I am sure you have deep convictions in your views as I do in mine. Discussion is unlikely to dissuade either of us from our respective view.

But I do appreciate your polite tone.

Kindest regards.
That's going to be the case with pretty much any town around here; tax dollars go to help fund non-profits and charities, from Meals on Wheels to senior citizens centers to animal shelters to museums to services for the handicapped and the abused. You can avoid that by not living within city limits, but I bet there's a really good chance that every county around here also helps fund non-profits and charities. So I'm guessing that no matter where you live in Tennessee, your property taxes (city and/or county) will be helping fund various non-profits and charities where you live.
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Old 06-29-2012, 04:10 PM
 
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You can avoid that by not living within city limits,
LOL. I tried that years ago. They forcefully annexed my land and business into the city and then used eminent domain to take the land and did not compensate me for the value of the business which was site specific. It is now Section 8 housing I pay taxes to support - LOL. Heavy sigh. Thanks for the thoughts though. There must be somewhere he says wistfully. Sorry, I have probably said too much.

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Old 06-29-2012, 07:30 PM
 
Location: Boston
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It sounds like you need to move to the western wilderness in a sparsely populated state like Idaho, Montana, or Wyoming.
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