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You don't live here. The people that I know that hunt ALL use the food to feed their families. I don't consider hunting and animal cruelty to be the same thing. If you believe that then I certainly hope you are not eating beef, chicken or pork, because how they are treated is much, much worse than going out and shooting a deer.
Are you intending to move here?
And Obama somehow is now equated with hunting? I know what you are saying but it is amazing to me how people can somehow stick his name into any conversation to blame him for something.
By the way, even though we disagree I do want you to know that I highly respect you for being a police officer.
I respect folks putting their lives on the line to protect also. Most of my family is in law inforcement as well. Only thing is, if he moves here and decides to be a city cop,county mounty, or even a state trooper, I hope he don't rag the force because so many of our cops take time off to go hunting ...
Maybe she's starving because her father spent all their money on hunting gear.
I have nothing against hunting, I just don't see the point in it. If you're doing it, you have to be doing it for sport. The money most hunters spend on hunting could be used to buy groceries for their family for an entire year... twice.
perhaps, she is starving because of over population---a terrible thought. i do not hunt. i just cannot do it. i love wildlife, farm animals, and domesticated animals. i've been known to nurse/rear/foster 2 pigeons, 1 robin, 4 bluebirds, 6 baby tennessee rabbits, 1 baby squirrel, 4 abandoned 1-day-old kittens, 1 baby raccoon, 1 motherless 1-day-old calf, 1 laying hen (eleanor, who was literally one wing from a death by "all things fox"), 1 crow (jack, old crow---smart as any domesticated birds i have ever encountered), one red earred turtle...and, if i really put my mind to serious thought, a partridge in a pear tree, lol.
my point---i truly love animals and the blessings they bring to a lonely and often cruel reality known as earth. sporting animals, even though i do not engage, is a legal activity. sportsmen---real sportsmen---obey the laws of the land and sportsmen's etiquette. believe it or not, sportsmen help keep wild animal populations in check. some sportsmen, w/out question, prize their kills as testaments to their, the sportsmen, human skills. again, when subject to the law of the land, it is acceptable.
contrary to your statement, one does not have to have a great deal of "hunting gear" to hunt for food. those who hunt do not have to hunt, as you say, "just to hunt." a license, at least in tennessee, is not needed, when hunting on one's own property. there are several ways in which to hunt game, other than purchasing expensive ammunition. too, one or two deer or turkey help supplement an otherwise sparse menu for many poor families in and around the appalachian chain. these folks are, as a rule, known as preservationists and conservationists.
perhaps, she is starving because of over population---a terrible thought. i do not hunt. i just cannot do it. i love wildlife, farm animals, and domesticated animals. i've been known to nurse/rear/foster 2 pigeons, 1 robin, 4 bluebirds, 6 baby tennessee rabbits, 1 baby squirrel, 4 abandoned 1-day-old kittens, 1 baby raccoon, 1 motherless 1-day-old calf, 1 laying hen (eleanor, who was literally one wing from a death by "all things fox"), 1 crow (jack, old crow---smart as any domesticated birds i have ever encountered), one red earred turtle...and, if i really put my mind to serious thought, a partridge in a pear tree, lol.
my point---i truly love animals and the blessings they bring to a lonely and often cruel reality known as earth. sporting animals, even though i do not engage, is a legal activity. sportsmen---real sportsmen---obey the laws of the land and sportsmen's etiquette. believe it or not, sportsmen help keep wild animal populations in check. some sportsmen, w/out question, prize their kills as testaments to their, the sportsmen, human skills. again, when subject to the law of the land, it is acceptable.
contrary to your statement, one does not have to have a great deal of "hunting gear" to hunt for food. those who hunt do not have to hunt, as you say, "just to hunt." a license, at least in tennessee, is not needed, when hunting on one's own property. there are several ways in which to hunt game, other than purchasing expensive ammunition. too, one or two deer or turkey help supplement an otherwise sparse menu for many poor families in and around the appalachian chain. these folks are, as a rule, known as preservationists and conservationists.
First of all, I don't have a problem with people hunting for sport. I don't, but I fish for the sport of it. Rarely will I eat freshwater fish, so most of the time, it's just catch and release for me.
Second, I've discussed this with many hunters, and in no way does hunting make good economical sense. If someone says they are hunting to support their family, they are really hunting to avoid finding for a job. Furthermore, if they aren't sinking the last of their family's resources into their "hunting" expeditions, it's likely they are poaching.
I said most hunters, and you forgot the thousands they invest in guns and leases, not to mention that the time spent hunting could be spent doing something lucrative.
My family has been hunting for years. Maybe 600$ invested in multiple guns from the first 410 and 22 to a deer riffle. Also guns are passed down from generation to generation. You must be thinking of the hunting preserves where out of state folks pay big money for a guided hunt to bag a tame, dilapidated animal that has been leaned up on a tree, take the head to mount and leave piles of rotting carcass we call death piles in the woods.
I guess time spent hunting could be used doing something more lucrative, like playing golf. Oh, wait what do golf courses do to wildlife habitat? And then the thousands spent on clubs and balls and fees and memberships.
I certainly dont believe huter's hunt to support their families, but that extra meat in the freezer helps, as does canning your own veggies. Neither may be economically advantagous lb per lb, but there is an enjoyment in both and you know what you are eating.
First of all, I don't have a problem with people hunting for sport. I don't, but I fish for the sport of it. Rarely will I eat freshwater fish, so most of the time, it's just catch and release for me.
Second, I've discussed this with many hunters, and in no way does hunting make good economical sense. If someone says they are hunting to support their family, they are really hunting to avoid finding for a job. Furthermore, if they aren't sinking the last of their family's resources into their "hunting" expeditions, it's likely they are poaching.
well, certainly, i respect your opinion; however, some of your beliefs and statements are far over-reaching. in my opinion, the argument against hunting must fail on the merits. i, too, fish---both fresh and salt water. when i am lucky enough to catch them, i take any and all home to eat. i have always practiced catch and release, if, for whatever reason i am in no position to save and cook the fish.
If someone says they are hunting to support their family, they are really hunting to avoid finding for a job. Furthermore, if they aren't sinking the last of their family's resources into their "hunting" expeditions, it's likely they are poaching.
I'm sorry, but this paragraph makes no sense. If someone goes out on the weekend to shoot a deer to put it in his freezer he is avoiding finding a job? What? Good gosh, when we say he hunts to help support his family we don't mean he's doing it full time.
well, certainly, i respect your opinion; however, some of your beliefs and statements are far over-reaching. in my opinion, the argument against hunting must fail on the merits. i, too, fish---both fresh and salt water. when i am lucky enough to catch them, i take any and all home to eat. i have always practiced catch and release, if, for whatever reason i am in no position to save and cook the fish.
For I believe the third time, I'm not against hunting. Myself, I don't hunt. Still, I don't think it should be lost on our people, and those that enjoy hunting should. What I am arguing against is the statement previously made that implied without hunting, people would starve to death. Simply not true.
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Originally Posted by hiknapster
I'm sorry, but this paragraph makes no sense. If someone goes out on the weekend to shoot a deer to put it in his freezer he is avoiding finding a job? What? Good gosh, when we say he hunts to help support his family we don't mean he's doing it full time.
Are you from around here?
Yep. I'm from around here. Post is read out of context.
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Originally Posted by 2mares
My family has been hunting for years. Maybe 600$ invested in multiple guns from the first 410 and 22 to a deer riffle. Also guns are passed down from generation to generation. You must be thinking of the hunting preserves where out of state folks pay big money for a guided hunt to bag a tame, dilapidated animal that has been leaned up on a tree, take the head to mount and leave piles of rotting carcass we call death piles in the woods.
I guess time spent hunting could be used doing something more lucrative, like playing golf. Oh, wait what do golf courses do to wildlife habitat? And then the thousands spent on clubs and balls and fees and memberships.
I certainly dont believe huter's hunt to support their families, but that extra meat in the freezer helps, as does canning your own veggies. Neither may be economically advantagous lb per lb, but there is an enjoyment in both and you know what you are eating.
I know people that pay thousands every year for leases. That isn't a preserve. That's a land-owner selling them the right to hunt on a section of their property. Last I checked, you can't hunt in a park. You can hunt on your own property, but land equals money as well, and if you have that much property, why are your children on the verge of starving to death if you don't bag a ten pointer today??? I'm not talking about you personally. I'm talking about "the poor Appalachian children" statement made earlier. I never meant to imply that hunting isn't enjoyable, only that it isn't economically sound. You seem to agree. Fishing isn't too economically sound these days either, but you will still find me on the Tennessee River this weekend.
Im sure some leases are more expensive. They run aroud 300/yr. on most leases here. We also have a few preserves in my area like I described. Sorry for that rant. Actually, most of the parks have draw hunts. I dont hunt myself, but I sure enjoy the extra deer meat. In the past hunting was allowed on most land. In the las 10-15 yr. there has been so much development that it is becomming difficult to find any place to hunt that is not a lease.
Anyway, as someone else said, I dont consider hunting or farming animal abuse.
I have also encountered people that feel letting your pet outside other than to use the bathroom is abuse. I feel that is going way to far. There is way too much abuse and neglect. I dont feel it is just in TN but TN does need to step up its enforcement. I have called the animal control on some starving horses, but I dont really expect anything to be done. The neighbors in my area called often about a particular person and as far as I know, nothing was ever done about it. Two of us do now possess his dogs that nearly died of starvation and a couple more were rehomed.
You don't live here. The people that I know that hunt ALL use the food to feed their families. I don't consider hunting and animal cruelty to be the same thing. If you believe that then I certainly hope you are not eating beef, chicken or pork, (vegan,, 50 years.. its hard to get non leather work gear.. but I was successful ) because how they are treated is much, much worse than going out and shooting a deer. (Im not sure the deer would agree,,, ever been shot.. it hurts.. forever) Who says because we can we have the right to kill and maim other beings... A nation that respects all life is one that will survive
Are you intending to move here?
(Possibly.. for the natural beauty and affordable land.. and because the state I loved is so screwed up with liberal pukes)
And Obama somehow is now equated with hunting? ( Yes,, you're right,,couldn't help but have my disdain for the man permeate my threads,, but the point I was making was about sustenance and self sufficiency. In Obama-land the "government" man will provide,, and Americans are sucking it up like pigs to the trough) I know what you are saying but it is amazing to me how people can somehow stick his name into any conversation to blame him for something. ( He is responsible for an attitude I see that is creating a government state .. guess where unemployment is going down... Washington DC... more people sucking off others.. but now Im getting way far afield of the thread so let me come back on point)
By the way, even though we disagree I do want you to know that I highly respect you for being a police officer.
( Thank you sir.. or ma'am.. we can agree to disagree respectfully.. always)
I realize anyone who has grown up hunting, raising animals for food,,being subjected to mass marketing forever that makes people believe that eating meat/ dairy / animal products is healthy.. when the scientific medical, mainstream to radical, evidence clearly shows that it is not. This is fact.. and while you might debate it as to the degree of how bad it is,, it is still bad for you.While wild game is generally generally less fat laden it is still unhealthy for your body. We haven't even touched on the spiritual aspects of animal cruelty and abuse.. that is another entire thread... whether you see its direct effects upon yourself depends upon a level of developed consciousness.
Look at how our society forgives people such as Michael Vic.. he is going to get his high paying job back.. become a sports icon again.. and his crimes against animals will be forgotten by many people.. this disgusts me..
I would love to see animal rescues such as Best Friends nationwide in every state... spay/neuter. animal welfare training, wildlife protection laws enhanced, target shooting being the preferred sport instead of hunting.. and again.. for those of you that have the need for the thrill.. head overseas.. man is a most worthy and dangerous prey.. the most dangerous of all
opps.. I forgot.. he can shoot back
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(Im not sure the deer would agree,,, ever been shot.. it hurts.. forever) Who says because we can we have the right to kill and maim other beings... A nation that respects all life is one that will survive
Im pretty sure our pain ends upon death.
If there came and end to the consumption of animal products and keeping livestock and hunting were outlawed, how would you propose animal populations be kept under control?
Where would all the cows, equine, pigs, chickens, goats, etc. go until they died out. How would we deal with them overtaking crop fields and orchards. How would we deal with the starving populations of deer on the roadways and in our yards. Coyotes, raccoons, squirrels and wild rabbits would overtake even the most urban areas. Now what about the rats that we cant kill.
If your wife were being attacked by a bear or rabid wolf would it be abuse of a defenseless animal if you shot it. It cant shoot back. I suspose that would depend on your level of developed consciousness.
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