Cookeville, Construction begins on Putnam winery. (Baxter: crime rate, home builders, neighborhood)

[bbkaren]

So, you'd like to close this thread to anyone who doesn't live in the area local to the winery. So I guess it'd be just you posting then, and how many others I wonder?

Oh well, you get your wish. I'm not that interested in this subject anyway, since as you mentioned, it doesn't concern me directly.

[midtnrev]

Originally Posted by JMT

All excellent points, firepower.

Plus, I laugh every time I hear someone refer to those birds as "Canadian" geese. It's CANADA geese, not Canadian geese.

I think midtnrev has some other issues, maybe with the DelMonaco family itself. To claim that opening a winery will in any way destroy people's dreams is absurd, unless that person's dreams is to keep all alcohol out of Putnam County. I don't drink, but I still welcome this winery. I don't think midtnrev has ever actually been to a winery or else s/he wouldn't make such outrageous claims.

The wineries in Livingston and Jamestown have done very well and have in no way brought about the destruction that midtnrev claims the DelMonaco's winery will do. In fact, I think a winery in Western Putnam County will be even more successful. For one thing, it's easier to reach from Nashville. Plus being right off I-40 is a definite advantage.

At any rate (and I'm sorry for rambling) I welcome this winery to Putnam County.

This is the link to Wilkipedia on these birds, I was too quick to relent. Canadian Goose or Geese is also correct so you can stop laughing now professor Canada Goose - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[midtnrev]

Originally Posted by bbkaren

So, you'd like to close this thread to anyone who doesn't live in the area local to the winery. So I guess it'd be just you posting then, and how many others I wonder?

Oh well, you get your wish. I'm not that interested in this subject anyway, since as you mentioned, it doesn't concern me directly.

I am not trying to be rude I just think it can cloud an issue when too many people respond to a thread that has no bearing on their lives, I want those that are directly affected to be able to read the facts,and not have to wade through assumptions and opinions to get them, this topic could have a far reaching and negative effect on this small community,and its important that those concerned dont become too weary reading albeit welcome but un invested opinions
Sorry if I offended..midtnrev

[bbkaren]

I understand and am not offended, but thanks. However, how much of your own posts would be considered "facts"?

Listen, I live in New Jersey. I see first hand the results of overdevelopment so you're preaching to the choir in that regard.

But a good deal of your posts are related to the evils of alcohol. I don't know how the laws work there so I can't really comment accurately but it seems like if a person wants alcohol (or drugs, or sex, or rock and roll for that matter) they'll get it.

And I doubt that the evils of alcohol that you're concerned with, are brought about by people who go to a winery.

But, as I mentioned, I could be wrong. It happened once before, just ask my husband!

[2mares]

The situation in Baxter dosent really affect me either, but I can sympathize with your concern midtnrev. It is happening in more and more small communities, its called greed. Funny the kinds of tricks the officials can accomplish when enough $$ is waved around and how quick they are to disreguard the wishes of their constiuants. I wondered when the developers were going to discover Baxter. Better get that vasoline ready the big screw is comming your way.

[bbkaren]

"...DUI's, assaults, burglaries, public intoxication, etc. etc. etc. all things that up until now have stayed way below the National Average in Baxter..."

One last thing, I'd just like to point out that according to Sperling's, your town of 1,400 people has the same crime rating as Loudon, my future town, which has 4,900...AND sells alcohol. Both of which are below the national average.

By saying "up until now", do you mean to indicate that the winery is going to change your town of 1,400 people into a haven of drunken debauchery?

[Eat]

Actually the concept of a dry community, and the arguments pro and con, are of interest to everyone in Tennessee, a state which permits them. It's a politcal question which every Tennessee resident has the right to weigh in on.

[midtnrev]

NO this is not just posting against the ills of alcohol,as that has been done by far better than myself,but as far as crime statistics etc. the relationship between the 2 is undeniable....

As for my posts being facts,,, here is what I list as facts ...

1.the Delmonacos have started developing a 50+acre section of land for the purposes of 20 upscale homes,a banquet hall a winery,and Vinyard,and by their own admission they intend to sell wine.

2.Other than the sale of beer ,there are no laws on the books that would allow this in this area,but their announcement and groundbreaking has already taken place,and their intent stated in the newspaper as to the selling of wine.

and here are some more facts about alcohol ,but please understand my posts are about a dangerous threat to this small community , it just so happens to be about alcohol..this time...

this sint just about drunk driving deaths which by the way in 2005 in Tennessee was 1,286 or 37% of all automobile fatalities ,and this with many dry counties in MID TN

• Alcohol availability is closely related to violent assaults. Communities and neighborhoods that have more bars and liquor stores per capita experience more assaults.

• Alcohol use is frequently associated with violence between intimate partners. Two-thirds of victims of intimate partner violence reported that alcohol was involved in the incident.

• In one study of interpersonal violence, men had been drinking in an estimated 45 percent of cases and women had been drinking in 20 percent of cases.

• Women whose partners abused alcohol were 3.6 times more likely than other women to be assaulted by their partners.

• In 1997, 40 percent of convicted rape and sexual assault offenders said that they were drinking at the time of their crime.

• In 2002, more than 70,000 students between the ages of 18 and 24 were victims of alcohol-related sexual assault in the U.S.

• In those violent incidents recorded by the police in which alcohol was a factor, about nine percent of the offenders and nearly 14 percent of the victims were under age 21.

• Twenty-eight percent of suicides by children ages nine to 15 were attributable to alcohol.

• An estimated 480,000 children are mistreated each year by a caretaker with alcohol problems.

Please understand this is nothing more than my simple attempt to retain the safety and security of a rural Mid TN area, for families to peacably raise their families in health and prosperity,without undue risk from senseless harm

Improving the quality of life indeed is much harder than just drugging everyone into a coma ,to make them accepting the troubles they bear,than it is to take responsibility and try to fix those ills that would drive them to escape in the first place.

I too in my past have had experince with drugs and alcohol,and one thing was always true I never drank or did drugs to forget how great my life was, it was always to temporarily escape how misserable it appeared..

This community will have to decide on its own, what it wants for it's children and future,thats not for me to decide ,I have but one vote,,,but it seems with this project going foreward without any vote being taken ,that developers like those this post refers too have found a shorter and simpler way to decide that for us...I wonder how this was accomplished...

In a Republic with Democratic Principles...lol...what a joke....

I guess the message is then, "Every man for himself" and if that's true who will protect you from those whos agendas arent so trendy and posh,, like a winery appears on the surface.

and to answer an earlier poster.. I doubt this hidden rural impoverished little town will be drawing the Kennebunkport crowd that so often frequents the Dukes County version known as Marthas Vinyards, I doubt I need to inform those who reside in Middle Tennessee,that this hardly resembles Massachusetts...

So in my opinion it will in the long term bring more trouble than money to anyone other than those who proposed it's developement

[B-money]

my dad had a dream of opening a ligour store near baxter tennessee.although his property is not actually located in baxter, just on the city limits,his mailing address is baxter.he never got to realize his dream,but ive recently been made aware that a winery is opening less than 2.5 miles away from my fathers property.its good to see that baxter has gotten with the times,my family has turned down offers to annex the property where my father had intentions to open his liqour store.it looks like my family did well by not letting baxter annex my fathers property.now i can pick up where he left off,my father died a trash man, he wanted to live out his dreams providing alcohol,just like his family did during the post pro-habition days. legally i might add.i had intentions on selling the property but since a liqour store/winery has been approved it opens the door for my dads dream,maybe ive been misinformed,but i recently went to the winerys location and its there!!ive tried contacting the builders in charge but cant get any answers,but it looks to be under developementmy fathers property is located less than 2 miles from the new high school,where i was going to open a drive thru ice cream and coffee shop.but everyone knows alcohol sells better than any other beverages.a "winery" a liqour store whats the difference?

[B-money]

liqour law was pased ,more than 2 years ago,only no restaurants have come to baxter to take advantage,u can only sell liqour while serving food,but the law was passed yes to liqour.the sign at the vineyard says a '"taste of cookeville".is that what baxter needs?who is this sign refering to? ,people from baxter thats who!!like people from baxter need some taste?get a glass and have some class,huh?while your at it pass the grey poupon please.capitolisim dont ya love it.im not gonna hand over a check or kiss a baby to sell my mad dog 20/20.if i wanted to slip in and sell booze i should be more tacticle huh ,theres always gonna be someone like me thats gonna try and make a buck,but i never know the right ones to cut the check out to.maybe i can learn from getting a taste of cookeville like the vineyard sign says,but maybe baxter or whomever the sign is refering to doesnt want a taste of cookeville..