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View Poll Results: Which city will claim the second largest metro area in Tennessee?
Memphis will be the second largest metro area in Tennessee 15 83.33%
Knoxville will be the second largest metro area in Tennessee 3 16.67%
Voters: 18. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-29-2015, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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Chattanooga seems to be a hot place in TN right now for outdoorsy types, young people, and those who simply cannot afford living in Nashville. Knoxville doesn't seem to have that attraction, at least not yet.
It will get there, just at a slower pace. The problem for Knoxville is the lack of support for TIF (tax increment financing) for new projects. In addition, the city has been reluctant to allow development to take place unless it meets strict development guidelines and preservation standards. Asheville has looked at Knoxville's riverfront for ideas, as well as Greenville and Chattanooga in the past. While all the cities are different, Knoxville seems to lack the comprehensive plan and initiative to get the ball rolling. I have hope Knoxville will learn from the other cities in this respect. With a thriving downtown, the effects will radiate throughout the city.

Bigger not better? Asheville's river lesson from Knoxville
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Old 09-30-2015, 05:39 AM
 
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Tifs have been used for numerous projects in Knoxville. Most of the downtown loft conversions had a TIF as part of their financing. The new Riverwalk development has a TIF that pays for public improvements that enhance the development. Plazas, walkways, etc.
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Old 03-19-2017, 11:52 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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Tifs have been used for numerous projects in Knoxville. Most of the downtown loft conversions had a TIF as part of their financing. The new Riverwalk development has a TIF that pays for public improvements that enhance the development. Plazas, walkways, etc.
I said Knoxville has been reluctant to using it meaning slower than some other cities, not that it never used it.
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Old 03-20-2017, 08:42 PM
 
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Both cities are growing slowly...Memphis will still be the second largest unless something major happens to Knoxville
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Old 03-22-2017, 08:12 PM
 
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I said Knoxville has been reluctant to using it meaning slower than some other cities, not that it never used it.
The vast majority of the loft conversions were TIFs. I did not see any reluctance on the part of the city. I'm guessing these are projects that are invisible to you because they are not new construction - though I see you have noticed the retail on the ground floor.

BTW, Thank you so much for the Citizen-Times link. It gave me a great belly laugh to start the day.

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When 18th century traveler James Weir came to Knoxville, he painted a rowdy picture of the fledgling frontier town, which he said was populated by "a promiscuous throng of every denomination."

There was "jesting, singing, swearing, women yelling from doorways ... whiskey and peach brandy were cheap," he said. "There was what I never did see before on Sunday, dancing, singing and playing of cards."
That article was published right about the time I started noticing a lot more NC license plates in Downtown Knoxville. Seriously. I guess they were looking for jesting, singing and cheap peach brandy.

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Both cities are growing slowly...Memphis will still be the second largest unless something major happens to Knoxville

Highly unlikely for Knoxville to outgrow Memphis. I sure wouldn't want it to.
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Old 03-24-2017, 09:19 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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The vast majority of the loft conversions were TIFs. I did not see any reluctance on the part of the city. I'm guessing these are projects that are invisible to you because they are not new construction - though I see you have noticed the retail on the ground floor.
You still don't get it, but that's ok.

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BTW, Thank you so much for the Citizen-Times link. It gave me a great belly laugh to start the day.
Good.
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Old 03-26-2017, 07:40 PM
 
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Here's a chart of 29 TIF projects in Knoxville since 2005 that are still in the tax abatement period. How does that compare to similar size cities?

Since the early TIFs had 15 yr "payoffs", one could presume projects before 2002 would no longer be included in this chart. I seem to remember that some of the Market Square renovations were also TIFs.

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You still don't get it, but that's ok.
That sounds like a condescending comment from someone who lived in Knoxville for a couple of years to someone who's been here for decades.
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Old 03-26-2017, 09:50 PM
 
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It'd be nice to have a 3rd million plus metro in the state
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Old 04-02-2017, 10:51 AM
 
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That sounds like a condescending comment from someone who lived in Knoxville for a couple of years to someone who's been here for decades.
The intent was not to hurt your feelings. There is just no need to continue explaining when you don't understand my point. I compared Knoxville to other cities such as Greenville and Chattanooga, both of which got a major head start on loft conversion/downtown residential growth years before Knoxville. The information is well known, so there is no need to go back and forth.
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Old 04-03-2017, 07:05 PM
 
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I compared Knoxville to other cities such as Greenville and Chattanooga
You have to admit Greenville and Chattanooga are outliers when it comes to urban infill. Throughout the entire US. I consider Columbia and Winston Salem to be Knoxville's peers in downtown development.

I don't know much about Greenville's redevelopment but know a bit about the mindset behind Chattanooga's. It's not something I would celebrate, personally.

I'm very happy with Knoxville's "organic" style of development. Since you aren't and you don't seem to appreciate historic buildings we can count you as one less person who will be moving to Knoxville. Or Memphis for that matter.

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