08-04-2015, 02:12 PM
Location: The canyon (with my pistols and knife)
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I've noticed an increase in Confederate flags flying in northeast Georgia, including the Athens area.
08-04-2015, 02:23 PM
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How is this tolerance and attitude of the Confederate flag viewed by blacks in Tennessee? Growing up on the West coast and living in the Upper Midwest, I've never understood this mentality. Seems to represent a period of time when black slavery was accepted as the norm. I know whites have their pride in their history, yet I don't get it when the flag represents a time of severe oppression for blacks.
08-04-2015, 02:32 PM
Location: Nashville TN
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Flags shouldn't bother anyone, much important issues to worry about in America than a flag. Nobody can make you mad, you control your own thoughts.
08-04-2015, 02:50 PM
Location: In a happy, quieter home now! :)
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The Confederate flag has a very important place in American history and will live on forever.
08-04-2015, 10:09 PM
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The flag.. deserves to be told in a museum..
Ted, I agree the history & ideas of the Confederacy deserve an accounting in a museum setting, but my opinion, it's history/symbols shouldn't be solely, or forcefully, confined to museums.
I'm finding the assertion that the Battle Flag should only be hung on a museum wall is an argument designed to encourage capitulation from it's defenders. No one's telling Revolutionary War buffs to relegate their Betsy Ross flags to museum exhibits, etc. The argument that the Confederate flag is uniquely immoral is a selective, bigoted demonization.
Hypothetically, a Confederate flag supporter may buy into this unfair request:
relegate your flag to a museum, & stop expressing your perspective .. in order to spare the feelings of those who hate, or are offended by the Battle flag. But now even museums are banning the flag. It's a fraudulent deal/offer.
Here's the account of Gettysburg's Seminary Ridge Museum, where they told re-enactors (on the seminary's grounds) not to fly the Confederate flags even in this purely historical context.
Historic Gettysburg seminary bans Confederate flags | News | witf.org
Keep the flag flying, don't allow people who hate it, to determine/define it's destiny. This is a free society, where different viewpoints should be respected, or at least tolerated.
08-04-2015, 10:13 PM
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I've certainly seen a rise in confederate flags around Nashville metro. I'm not a fan of the confederate flag, but I still have no idea what the flag had to do with the Charleston shooting. The Charleston shooting was absolutely tragic, but how will taking away the flag solve anything. If anything, I think it's being flown far more now than ever.
It's interesting to me how the media blamed a red flag with stars for the Charleston shooting. Yet when planned parenthood is recorded on video essentially killing babies, the media just sweeps this under the rug as if nothing happened. I typically don't ever get political, but it's becoming very apparent to me lately how biased the media is. It also seems that now more than ever that good/evil are often skewed.
That's just my humble Tennessee opinion. The above was not written to offend anybody.
08-04-2015, 11:49 PM
Location: Franklin, TN
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Babe_Ruth
Ted, I agree the history & ideas of the Confederacy deserve an accounting in a museum setting, but my opinion, it's history/symbols shouldn't be solely, or forcefully, confined to museums.
I'm finding the assertion that the Battle Flag should only be hung on a museum wall is an argument designed to encourage capitulation from it's defenders. No one's telling Revolutionary War buffs to relegate their Betsy Ross flags to museum exhibits, etc. The argument that the Confederate flag is uniquely immoral is a selective, bigoted demonization.
I'm not one to tell people what they should and should not do. If you want to fly the flag, that's your decision. To me, it comes down to freedom of expression.
However, I would like to draw a distinct difference between the Revolutionary War and the Civil War. I do not think it is equivalent to compare the Betsy Ross flag to the Confederate flag. One represents a nation that still exists, and one represents the battle flag of a nation that no longer exists, and has not for 150 years.
I do not know of any native American citizen that does not wish that the American Revolution did not occur, or that we did not "win". However, as a native Southerner, I can tell you that I and many, many others, who are not at all shamed by the history of the Civil War, but are very glad that the Confederacy did not succeed.
I personally feel that the battle flag is more appropriate for a museum simply because it is a part of history, and has no real place in the present. On top of this, I will also say that I vehemently oppose the removal of historical confederate memorials (not so much newer creations like the heinous NBF statue on I-65 in Nashville). We should not scrub our history for political correctness. We should celebrate it. Not because of which side we were on, but we because survived it as a nation. Forget "good guys vs. bad guys", the whole saga is incredibly fascinating and worthy of study. Removing all things that offend anyone just further gives the excuse to NOT study a very, very important time in our nation's history.
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Hypothetically, a Confederate flag supporter may buy into this unfair request:
relegate your flag to a museum, & stop expressing your perspective .. in order to spare the feelings of those who hate, or are offended by the Battle flag. But now even museums are banning the flag. It's a fraudulent deal/offer.
Here's the account of Gettysburg's Seminary Ridge Museum, where they told re-enactors (on the seminary's grounds) not to fly the Confederate flags even in this purely historical context.
Historic Gettysburg seminary bans Confederate flags | News | witf.org
Keep the flag flying, don't allow people who hate it, to determine/define it's destiny. This is a free society, where different viewpoints should be respected, or at least tolerated.
Like I said, I strongly disapprove of trying to sanitize history.
It is a free society, but I can't say I understand the need to fly it outside of historical context. Are you a rebel soldier?
08-05-2015, 04:48 AM
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Don't let it get you down. I find it quite scary, knowing what the flag stands for and seeing the ignorance, bigotry and racism SO openly displayed. But all they are doing is reminding us that it is here, needs to be cautiously avoided, and it will fade with successive generations.
Tennessee is the birthplace of the KKK and this uproar with the flag reminds us that we need to be vigilant against those people who would tear down years/decades of advancement in our country. It is sad, but nevertheless, an important awakening to be careful. Just like religious zealots, I don't think they mean any harm, necessarily, but their message is frightening and harkens back to another time...an ugly time..in our country.
Carry on. The Union is secure. The flag has a tremendous history and the story deserves to be told in a museum. I am sure there are those patriots among us that will ensure that is exactly how this current increase of flag incidents will resolve.
It's the radical progressive activists who are race-baiting our society for political gain (divide and conquer). They are trying to spark race violence around the nation ... and they are succeeding.
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08-05-2015, 07:14 AM
Location: Chattanooga, TN
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All I can say is do some research on the ACTUAL history of the civil war , slavery and racism, including actual documents, letters, and timelines as well throw in some 1800's sociology.
I remember studying American history in jr. high school. Civil war was a short chapter and basically said Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves. Well upon further study I found that's not exactly accurate and that war was so complex people still cant figure it all out .
Be careful doing research on divisive topics. There is a lot of info out there, published by both sides, that features so much "spin" it borders on outright lies. I believe the current term used to describe such information is "woo", although usually that term is used more for pseudoscience rather than revisionist history.
The best place to start with zero spin is with actual Civil War Era documents that are short, to the point, and written by the people who actually voted to secede specifically to convey the precise reasons
why they did so:
The Declaration of Causes or Seceding States . I recommend starting with Mississippi, as it's the shortest. For a lark, count the number of sentences that reference the different reasons currently used to explain the war (slavery, taxes, states' rights, etc.) to see which reason the authors considered the most important.
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2mares
I think the number of people that identify with that flag (excluding the crazies and occasional extreme backwards redneck) certainly don't support slavery, don't hate blacks and aren't racists . I'm sorry that you feel that way. I think a lot of the folks displaying the flag now are only doing it because the PC police are telling them they cant.
I agree with Nashvols that all the hoopla is unnecessary and dumb on both sides.
I also agree. To one side, the flag has retained its original meaning, as a symbol representing a army fighting for a government that wanted to keep their people in literal chains. To the other side it has a completely different meaning. A whole generation has grown up where the only place they saw that flag was at Southern Rock concerts ("Freebird!!") and on the roof of a hot Dodge Charger associated with an even hotter girl wearing "Daisy Dukes". The "Rebel" symbolism switched from a traitorous insurrection against their own government into a couple of good ol' boys fighting against a corrupt local government. After all, they were "never meanin' no harm."
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It's the radical progressive activists who are race-baiting our society for political gain (divide and conquer).
You're halfway there. The full and correct statement should be:
"
It's the radical progressive activists [working together with the radical conservative hatemongers ] who are [] baiting our society for political gain (divide and conquer). "
I know more people of various races, religions, and sexual preferences than I can bother to count, and I have more similarities with all of them than I have differences. And yet, if I were to listen to Faux News or MSNBC or conservative talk radio or Huff Po I would find out that we have nothing in common and we should all hate each other.
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08-05-2015, 07:28 AM
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It is sad that so many people were murdered in church but it is so dumb to start hatred toward a flag. As I have said before, I had ancestors fight under that flag and I will not join you in your effort to dishonor them. Leave history alone. It's history and history is not supposed to be changed. There are a lot of things going on now in the United States to be offended and disgusted about but most have nothing to do with the confederate states.
If you want to do something to remove hateful practices then defund Planned Parenthood. That has always been a disgusting organization. Better yet, take away its tax exempt status.
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Most Common Occupations - Healthcare support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Protective service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Fire fighting and prevention, and other protective service workers including supervisors (%)
Most Common Occupations - Law enforcement workers including supervisors (%)
Most Common Occupations - Food preparation and serving related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Building and grounds cleaning and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Personal care and service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and office occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Office and administrative support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)