Ignorant Texans (Mart, Alma: school, universities, live in)

[orbius]

Originally Posted by jimboburnsy

The notion being that subsidizing electric power somehow makes it less expensive? You were getting screwed just as much before deregulation.

Electric power isnt subsidized its created by a cooperative. You need to look up what that is because you obviously dont know.

Deregulation is a scam period, the proof are in the bills, everyone in deregulated areas knows the truth.

[Westerner92]

Originally Posted by crbcrbrgv

According to some irrelevant author in 1985, yes. Today, no.

Oh ok, I didn't realize top 10 rankings in engineering, architecture, and business wasn't good enough for it to be considered one of the better schools in the country.

[jimboburnsy]

Originally Posted by orbius

Electric power isnt subsidized its created by a cooperative. You need to look up what that is because you obviously dont know.

Deregulation is a scam period, the proof are in the bills, everyone in deregulated areas knows the truth.

You obviously don't live in an area that was once covered by a municipal utility, and what county are you in to have had your coop deregulated?

A coop still must pass commodity prices to the end consumer and there isn't anything that can shield Texans from absolutely historic natural gas prices in the $14/MCF range and there isn't really any proof that prices would have been better without deregulation. We were paying about $0.08 per kwh in 1999 and we're paying about $0.11 now. Inflation accounts for most of that increase. I haven't really noticed a difference, hence we were getting screwed just as bad before deregulation.

[orbius]

Originally Posted by jimboburnsy

You obviously don't live in an area that was once covered by a municipal utility, and what county are you in to have had your coop deregulated?

A coop still must pass commodity prices to the end consumer and there isn't anything that can shield Texans from absolutely historic natural gas prices in the $14/MCF range and there isn't really any proof that prices would have been better without deregulation. We were paying about $0.08 per kwh in 1999 and we're paying about $0.11 now. Inflation accounts for most of that increase. I haven't really noticed a difference, hence we were getting screwed just as bad before deregulation.

Your facts are just wrong. Texas on average pays about 30% more for electricity than neighboring States after deregulation. (that includes cheaper deregulated areas that bring down the State average) Whereas prior to deregulation its electricity costs were comparable to neighboring states.

Those are called facts my friend. Deregulation has driven up the average cost of electricity in Texas. Period, point blank, no talk about coops or municipals or natural gas costs will change that. Understand now?

[texdav]

That is fine with me as long as the fortune 500 companies continue tot hink otherwsie along with other businesses. I guees all thsoe heavily indebted states thing that everything is fine also and they got that way from being more educated and intelligent.

[jimboburnsy]

Originally Posted by orbius

Your facts are just wrong. Texas on average pays about 30% more for electricity than neighboring States after deregulation. (that includes cheaper deregulated areas that bring down the State average) Whereas prior to deregulation its electricity costs were comparable to neighboring states.

Those are called facts my friend. Deregulation has driven up the average cost of electricity in Texas. Period, point blank, no talk about coops or municipals or natural gas costs will change that. Understand now?

Your facts are misleading. Coal power is cheaper than natural gas power. States that burn more coal pay less for power.

[gybryant]

I'm inclined to believe it has to do with most people's inclination to degrade others in order to feel better about themselves. So, northerners and westerners obviously look to the south for someone to pick on. Texas is an obvious target given its large geographical size and, shall we say, larger than life persona. Of course, southerners do the same sort of stereotyping of others. The difference is that we don't have as loud a voice with which to spew our invective given that almost all media in America calls the north and west home.

Except Atlanta, but that's not really the south anymore.

[orbius]

Originally Posted by jimboburnsy

Your facts are misleading. Coal power is cheaper than natural gas power. States that burn more coal pay less for power.

You're telling me that Oklahoma is full of coal plants? Come on just face up to the facts instead of dragging all this out. Texas is getting a bum deal on the price of electricity due to deregulation.

[jimboburnsy]

Originally Posted by orbius

You're telling me that Oklahoma is full of coal plants? Come on just face up to the facts instead of dragging all this out. Texas is getting a bum deal on the price of electricity due to deregulation.

Oklahoma and Texas are not apples/apples. There are about 1,000,000 more people in the Houston Metro than there are in Oklahoma - and further - Texas, by virtue of its sheer size, presents a transmission problem not found in OK; it's a completely different ballgame to keep the lights on here

But to answer your question, yes, Oklahoma has about 20 coal-fired plants that supply about half of its power.

Wanna keep dragging?

[mayalevi]

Originally Posted by RenaudFR

I didn't mean ALL hispanics, some of them are doctors, lawyers, engineers ...But the overall graduation rate is weaker about hispanics (13% have a bachelors degree or more but in the US it's about 25%).
Sorry, no offense

to be fair, as someone who is an educator and not from texas, the point I think he is trying to make is this:no one is saying that just because someone is hispanic they are less intelligent. however, tx has the largest share of the mexican border of any state, and thus, will have a lot more first generation immigrants who are undereducated coming into the state-including those who lack economic means/ resources. When parents, in particular, lack economic means, education tends to go on the back burner. They may pull their high schooler out of class, for example, to work to pay the light bill. They may not attend parent-teacher conferences--not because they don't care, but because they need to put food on the table and going to a conference vs. working overtime--it's a no brainer in their eyes. I see it everyday with my students(98 percent of whom are mexican)--lack of parental support results in poor results. Just look at the difference in test scores between the Southside schools here in San Antonio(primarily mexican) and the Northside schools(not so mexican). It's not racism, it's reality.