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Old 09-30-2010, 02:35 PM
 
Location: 75025 (previously 75254, 90505, 90010, and 60614)
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You love to talk down on Houston's Korean population don't you? It may not be as sizable as D/FW's, but its about half in size which is still significant.
I was not trying to talk to about them. That was about the airlines and the local markets to Korea, not the population of the metro areas.

I have an graduate degree in airline management and I work as an airline consultant and contract negotiator. I know of what I speak. I have done work for Continental, United, and Korean Air so I am well versed on the issue.

I know for a fact that the Houston-Shanghai market is much larger and much higher yielding than Houston-Seoul. That is where that is coming from.

The last work I did for CO was pre merger. The mindset of the combined carrier may have changed, but I can tell you that the market really hasnt.
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Old 09-30-2010, 04:57 PM
 
Location: Tower of Heaven
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LAnative, Seoul isn't a little ity, it's a very big metro area, that can be interesting
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Old 09-30-2010, 09:45 PM
 
Location: 75025 (previously 75254, 90505, 90010, and 60614)
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LAnative, Seoul isn't a little ity, it's a very big metro area, that can be interesting
Youre telling me this???

Ive been six times. Not just Seoul, been to Busan and Jeju as well. Seoul is one of my favorite cities in Asia. I particularly like the Dongdaemun area. I always stay at the Intercontinental in Gangnam gu across from the Samseong stop on the metro. Perhaps you know it, its right next to the COEX mall which is huge. I bought Korean soccer jerseys for my office there. The spa there is amazing. Also there is a BBQ that specialized in Bulgogi that is my favorite in Seoul. There is also a Dallas Cowboys sports bar in that area.

Not sure why you felt the need to throw that out there, but ok. I feel confident that I know more about Seoul than most people on here.

Im not sure what you are trying to read into, but the Houston-Seoul air travel market is tiny. Period. Houston-Shanghai or Houston-Beijing are much larger and much higher yielding local markets and should be explored. Almost all the air traffic to/from Korea is in the DFW area. DFW already has a flight to Seoul so its set. Houston-China, however is much larger than Dallas-China (minus Hong Kong where they are about even).

Dont try to read into anything beyond what I am stating.

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Old 09-30-2010, 10:04 PM
 
Location: Upper East Side of Texas
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Youre telling me this???

Ive been six times. Not just Seoul, been to Busan and Jeju as well. Seoul is one of my favorite cities in Asia. I particularly like the Dongdaemun area. I always stay at the Intercontinental in Gangnam gu across from the Samseong stop on the metro. Perhaps you know it, its right next to the COEX mall which is huge. I bought Korean soccer jerseys for my office there. The spa there is amazing. Also there is a BBQ that specialized in Bulgogi that is my favorite in Seoul. There is also a Dallas Cowboys sports bar in that area.

Not sure why you felt the need to throw that out there, but ok. I feel confident that I know more about Seoul than most people on here.
Dear God not this again...

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Old 09-30-2010, 10:23 PM
 
Location: 75025 (previously 75254, 90505, 90010, and 60614)
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Dear God not this again...

There is. If you dont like it maybe you should dig up a passport, fly to Seoul, and convince the owners why they should change the theme of the bar.

Now why dont we not turn this into an argument about bulls**t and move on. I wasnt going to turn this into a football related discussion. I just mentioned something in passing. Quit being so d**m sensitive. You take everything like its an attack on Houston even if all I am doing is stating facts.

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Old 10-01-2010, 03:42 AM
 
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Interesting fact, the Asian population in the Houston Metro is at 6.1% according to the 2009 estimates. This is up from 5.8% in 2008. This increase is thanks in large part to the Vietnamese estimate jumping 22,000 from the previous year.

2008 Houston Demographics

2009 Houston Demographics

Greater Houston's total Asian population is around 355,000. That puts them around 3,000 behind Seattle in 2009. So by 2010, Houston should pass them in raw numbers, putting them behind LA, NYC, Bay Area, Honolulu, Chicago, and DC. Of course all of this could change in 2010 when the official Census numbers come out. However, I wouldn't be surprised if Texas's Asian population is underestimated, given our huge population growth taking place within the last five years.
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Old 10-01-2010, 07:05 AM
 
Location: 75025 (previously 75254, 90505, 90010, and 60614)
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Wow, that is crazy.

One thing that I am trying to get my head around seems to the be the declining Korean population YOY. DFW seems to have lost 7,000 Koreans, Houston lost 3,000 and Atlanta lost 5,000 according to the fact finder. Appearently, DFW also lost 6,000 Vietnamese and DC lost 7,000 Vietnamese.

By contrast, DFW gained 10,000 Chinese and Houston gained about 20 Chinese. DFW also gained 6,000 Filipinos, where as Houston gained about 50. The biggest shocker of them all is that DFW gained 12,000 Indians, Houston gained 3,000.

Though its just one year, my observations would be this:

-Niether city seems to be a magnent for Koreans any more (even Atlanta is fading)
-Houston is the ultimate magnent for Vietnamese and DFW seems to be fading for them
-Dallas is the ultimate magnent for Indians, though Houston Indian community is still growing
-DFW seems to be attracting Chinese and Filipinos at a much faster rate than Houston

Another thing not show is the Thai populations. DFW's jumped from 2,400 to 5,200 making it the 5th largest Thai community in the US.
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Old 10-01-2010, 07:43 AM
 
Location: classified
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One thing that I am trying to get my head around seems to the be the declining Korean population YOY. DFW seems to have lost 7,000 Koreans, Houston lost 3,000 and Atlanta lost 5,000 according to the fact finder.

-Niether city seems to be a magnent for Koreans any more (even Atlanta is fading)
Since South Korea is pretty much a developed country at this point it shouldn't be that surprising. I would take it that less Koreans are immigrating to the US.
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Old 10-01-2010, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Tower of Heaven
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Since South Korea is pretty much a developed country at this point it shouldn't be that surprising. I would take it that less Koreans are immigrating to the US.
SK is a developed country since a decade, but the immigration from SK has been stronger than the 90s because koreans have too much enginers and scientists and they can't find a job there, so they go to Canada and the US to have a job and better salaries !
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Old 10-01-2010, 08:47 AM
 
Location: 75025 (previously 75254, 90505, 90010, and 60614)
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Another observation is that Houston's Asian growth seems to be almost entirely Vietnamese. DFW's is a lot more spread out (among Chinese, Filipino, and Indian).
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