Texans VS Californians (Dallas, Austin, Plano: property taxes, transplants, travel)

[ladysrodgers]

Originally Posted by ladysrodgers
I don't know how old you are, but I was born and raised in CA, and I'm 56 now. I grew up in Southern California and lived there for about 33 years. I then moved to the northbay area, and lived there for nearly 20 years.

ok. did your life put you around that type of lifestyle (ranching, farming, cowboying)? i was born and raised there as well. apparently we were exposed to different things. california has that ability

I didn't live right in it, no......There were mostly oranges and other citrus trees where I grew up in Southern CA. I wasn't raised in the Los Angeles area.


No, the cowboy thing is not a misnomer. It's huge part of the Texas heritage, and it's never been that large of an influence in CA.

Depends where you are at....So cal and the Bay area arent the only parts of california. I am also not saying it isnt a big part of the texas heritage, but so are mexicans, Slovaks and germans cultures. (at least in certain parts of the state). and there are parts of texas that other then novelty that have any cowboy influence. so in a broad sweeping way you are worng IMO.

I've lived in the central valley too - Roseville. I did a short stint in Clovis. I had family in one or two smaller communities in the central valley. To me, California cowboys are very different, in that they may work around cattle or horses, but they don't live the cowboy lifestyle that has been prevalent in Texas, Colorado and other states that were once part of the Territory of Texas. That long heritage has had a profound influence on those states. California on the other hand, has never had a cowboy influence of that magnitude either now, or in it's history. There were people who came there during the gold rush, but for the most part, people who moved to CA, or even settled there, were not cowboys.

How do you find a legit cowboy in Fremont or Livermore? They're both cities! The areas you mentioned above are well-known to Californians for being the armpit of the state. Those areas are full of illegal Hispanic imigrants, who brought the "cowboy" influence with them. They're also full of truck drivers who are wannabe cowboys. Those areas are certainly not a good, or fair representation of what the state is about.

see my other post, i am not arguing about it being the armpit of the state. but yes there are cowboys and ranchers in those areas quite a bit. and as far as hispanics they have a big comboy heritage too. i am sure it also has changed in the last 10-15 years. there is more about that region i like then other areas (including LA and San fran). it is part of the state and it represents the state just like any flip flop wearing, long haired hippy type would as well. it is a fair comparison

I believe you mentioned you either lived, or worked in the silicone valley. Who wouldn't get sick of that rat race?? It sounds as though you adopted their way of thinking though by your other comments.

explain??? adopted there way of thinking??, i dont know what you mean by that, but i cant stand it there now. what is that suppose to mean? Yes i did grow up there, when there was still orchards sitting in the middle of it and a little room to breathe, before it turned into the total goat rope it has morphed into.

I apologize for that remark. It seems you lived in that area prior to it becoming yuppieville. The Silicon Valley is now, and has been for the last 15 years or so, full of yuppie over-achievers who are the keep up with the Jones types. The kind that has to have the latest and greatest of anything.


Ask yourself though, what is the single one reason the bay area swung so far to the left liberal direction in the past 10 years? Answer......gays and their influence. Like it or not, that is the answer.

ok...i dont agree completely, but i see hwere you are coming from and we probably have the same type of general thought on that subject


I emphatically restate, CA has never been like Texas.
I emphatically state, i think you are wrong. they did have alot of similar things going for them, then california swung way left. as i said before its a broad sweeping statement. the gay thing is a good example.. without debating it, its now happening in alot of places in texas too.

please explain to me the silicon valley way of thinking, i took it as an insult, but i really dont know what you mean.

Please see above.

[smackie94]

Originally Posted by ladysrodgers

Originally Posted by ladysrodgers


I didn't live right in it, no......There were mostly oranges and other citrus trees where I grew up in Southern CA. I wasn't raised in the Los Angeles area.

Had alot of that too. In the past at least..i miss that




I've lived in the central valley too - Roseville. I did a short stint in Clovis. I had family in one or two smaller communities in the central valley. To me, California cowboys are very different, in that they may work around cattle or horses, but they don't live the cowboy lifestyle that has been prevalent in Texas, Colorado and other states that were once part of the Territory of Texas. That long heritage has had a profound influence on those states. California on the other hand, has never had a cowboy influence of that magnitude either now, or in it's history. There were people who came there during the gold rush, but for the most part, people who moved to CA, or even settled there, were not cowboys.

seems we are splitting hairs. i am not denying the heritage of cowboyism in texas or other states, but there was that "lifestyle" in california too. also had alot of other influences in california. i was just saying i have till this day met more real cowboys in california, i was around them. so whatever the history maybe, that influence was still there for me (i dont consider myself a cowboy though in any way). this is a part of why i say the two sates had alot in common. not saying they are identical, but the parts of california that were similar to texas went away.
the heritage is bigger in texas, but there are alot more "dimestore" cowboys there as well.



I apologize for that remark. It seems you lived in that area prior to it becoming yuppieville. The Silicon Valley is now, and has been for the last 15 years or so, full of yuppie over-achievers who are the keep up with the Jones types. The kind that has to have the latest and greatest of anything.

fair enough. alot of my history was in that area, i watched it turn into yuppieville and fortunately i left before it was completey gone. that is where i based my opinion of how california changed primarily. like i said before above we had orchards, i grew up around "cowboying". it was alot more rural and conservative then it is now. becasue of that it was simliar to texas (at least how texas is now). it isnt like that anyore at all, and to be honest it makes me sad. I use to love alot about california, but i have a hard time seeing those qualities in it.

trying to get back to the main topic. i use to love alot about california. but alot of those qualities are gone. texas still has them. I/We dont want the same thing to happen here (texas). if people like california for what it has become, then great stay there, it will never be what i remembered and i cant/wont go back.

and there are still alot more real cowboys from california then texas at least in my experiance

[texcali32]

It must really depend on where you lived in Ca and what you were exposed to because I would have to disagree with the "more real cowboys in CA" statement.

I was raised in California and believe just the opposite. Texas is much more a cowboy culture. I see a lot more salt of the earth rancher types here than I ever experienced in CA and thats not just in the Hill Country but near Houston and Dallas etc..

[ladysrodgers]

Originally Posted by texcali32

It must really depend on where you lived in Ca and what you were exposed to because I would have to disagree with the "more real cowboys in CA" statement.

I was raised in California and believe just the opposite. Texas is much more a cowboy culture. I see a lot more salt of the earth rancher types here than I ever experienced in CA and thats not just in the Hill Country but near Houston and Dallas etc..

I agree with you although my interactions with Texans have been limited to city dwellers.

Where I live, it's a concrete jungle and the people don't seem to be considerate or friendly much at all.

Today I'm in overwhelm at how much more expensive it is to live here, after having had to purchase a Texas auto policy, and renew the lease on my apartment earlier today..........whew!

[smackie94]

txas vehicle insurance is just outright ridiculous.....lots of unisured crivers jacking up the prices

[CallMeLaura]

Originally Posted by smackie94

txas vehicle insurance is just outright ridiculous.....lots of unisured crivers jacking up the prices

Yet, oddly enough, it's more in at least Oklahoma and Wisconsin...

[ladysrodgers]

Originally Posted by smackie94

txas vehicle insurance is just outright ridiculous.....lots of unisured crivers jacking up the prices

Ridiculous isn't the word for it! My premiums have doubled!

I don't know how people can get away with driving without insurance - you have to show proof of insurance when you register your vehicle, and when you get a driver's license.

[nativeDallasite]

Originally Posted by ladysrodgers

Ridiculous isn't the word for it! My premiums have doubled!

I don't know how people can get away with driving without insurance - you have to show proof of insurance when you register your vehicle, and when you get a driver's license.

Because they don't register their vehicles or have driver's licenses, obviously.

[KimK]

I think this being an ex-Californian is a bad rap in lots of ways. I have been in the Texas/New Mexico now for about six years. I had avoided bringing up that I moved from California to people. Then, I started noting unbridled growth, greedy land developers, etc. and I realized that we ex-Californians have a lot of experience in that area, don't we? We have seen the good, the bad, the ugly. In fact, most of us were financially squeezed out of that state. So, I started looking into county government, city zoning, etc. and realized that these folks could really benefit from some input that might in fact alter their future in a good way. I have chimed in at a few planning meetings and started asking questions. Funny, what just asking a question can do. I have started to tell people, "I come from California, but I only use my powers for good."

[nativeDallasite]

Originally Posted by KimK

I think this being an ex-Californian is a bad rap in lots of ways. I have been in the Texas/New Mexico now for about six years. I had avoided bringing up that I moved from California to people. Then, I started noting unbridled growth, greedy land developers, etc. and I realized that we ex-Californians have a lot of experience in that area, don't we? We have seen the good, the bad, the ugly. In fact, most of us were financially squeezed out of that state. So, I started looking into county government, city zoning, etc. and realized that these folks could really benefit from some input that might in fact alter their future in a good way. I have chimed in at a few planning meetings and started asking questions. Funny, what just asking a question can do. I have started to tell people, "I come from California, but I only use my powers for good."

I hate to bring up a sticky point, but the recent urban sprawl that Californians complain about in DFW is due in large part to new, out-of-state residents. I know people who live in Plano, Frisco, Allen, and Sachse...they say most of their neighbors are from California. It's almost like urban sprawl is a virus that they bring with them when they come here.

It's not COMPLETELY their fault, obviously...but I don't see them helping. You may use your powers for good and I applaud you for that...I just wish more of your fellow Californians thought the way you do.