Texans VS Californians (Houston, Dallas, Plano: renting, areas, cities)

[ladysrodgers]

Originally Posted by tstone

Ok, now you're just being rude and disrespectful. I've always said ''Californians believe a lot of things'' and I still think my statement is valid. I wrote in general terms on here then you pop out of the woodwork with your insulting comments.

So you think I'm inbred, you comment on my underwear as if I'm retarded, and you make (incorrect) age assumptions. So in one sentence, you simply disrespect adults around you. And I need to chill out? Wow. Y'all really do believe a lot of things, huh?

Well maybe this is news to alert the media with, but you can find there are DOZENS of threads here with "accent" discussions. Now we Texans don't sit around at lunch all day and talk about our funny drawls either. But I can speak for true Texans when I say this:

We know who we are.
We don't deny who we are.
We're not trying to pretend we're someone else!

And most of us (outside of the Dallas area) also don't have inane, 30 minute discussions about how trendy sushi, coffee, handbags, and hair bleach permanently changed our lives, either.

No, you didn't write in general terms at all. Right off the bat you came out making fun of Californians. You could just as easily say, "Texans believe a lot of things". So what?

I can just as easily say Californians:

Know who we are
Don't deny who we are
We don't pretend to be someone else.

Methinks you watch to much TV, and "assume" the entire state is like that. Didn't anyone teach you Hollywood is make-believe?

Your assumption I am from LA, and comment about 30 minute conversations proves my point.

WOW, y'all really do believe a lot of things, huh?

[nativeDallasite]

Originally Posted by ladysrodgers

No, you didn't write in general terms at all. Right off the bat you came out making fun of Californians. You could just as easily say, "Texans believe a lot of things". So what?

I can just as easily say Californians:

Know who we are
Don't deny who we are
We don't pretend to be someone else.

Methinks you watch to much TV, and "assume" the entire state is like that. Didn't anyone teach you Hollywood is make-believe?

Your assumption I am from LA, and comment about 30 minute conversations proves my point.

WOW, y'all really do believe a lot of things, huh?

I'm just going to step in and say two things....

First, both of y'all need to quit fighting; doesn't matter who started it, one of you needs to quit. You're getting nowhere.

Second, ladysrogers...I think you stepped over the line when you implied that tstone is inbred. It's an old, offensive, and damaging stereotype of Southerners that we're all inbred and even though he threw some old tired stereotypes at you, I don't think those are as offensive as implying that someone is inbred, and it kind of makes the point for a lot of people that out-of-staters mock Southerners for being "backward". I'd rather be accused of being shallow than being inbred, that's for sure.

My $0.02 anyway.

[ladysrodgers]

Originally Posted by KimK

I was speaking of "us" in the royal way. Like "us" Californians. I was born in L.A. and lived most of my adult life in Santa Barbara/Ventura area. I have been in southern New Mexico for six years. I would not go back ever. While I certainly defend us on many levels, I grew tired of the fact that retirement would have been years away there. Also, I think the weather stinks if you are near the coast. I hate the marine layer.

I was born and raised in San Bernardino. It was a great place to grow up. Still had that small town feel, and was surrounded by many, many orange groves, and date trees.

By the time I was in my early 20's, SB started changing dramatically, due to LA people moving there. Not that all LA people are bad, they just brought the "city" and sometimes thug influences with them.

SB has the perfect climate and is within an hours drive of just about anything.

Unfortunately, most of it has become a ghetto now.



I just had to point out that in those Wikipedia entries General American and Californian accents are not very far apart to the untrained ears among us. You are right. I never recall anyone in California ever discussing our accents. I guess when you are worried about burning down, being flooded out, blown across the street or somebody elses new Lexus it just doesn't come up much.

None of those things were ever a worry to me, but I was inland.

I moved to N. CA in my mid-30's and couldn't believe I hadn't done it sooner. It's completely different than SoCal.

There was an old history textbook called "The Californians" or similiar. I always thought there should be an update on that to bring us to where we are today. We are truly interestiing, diverse people and it might go a long way to explain to others our quirkiness.

Exactly. Some people think exposure to diversity is a bad thing. By diversity, I mean foods, people, climates, lifestyles, etc.

I was watching this special last night on Pioneers in Aviation. A large chunk of that was devoted the the California side of the space race with North American Rockwell and Rocketdyne etc. When I was a child there it was truly like we were on the cutting edge of life in many respects. We were busy as a region to send humans into space and then movies were made there right in our own yards. Presidents lived down the street in their free time. Howard Hughes stayed at my grandmother's small motel in Palm Springs for years to hide out. Everybody who was and is anybody wants to visit California.

It was the same when I was growing up in SoCal. I agree, people complain about the state, and yet everyone wants to go there..lol

Are we quirky? Do we have accents, albeit quite bland? You bet and I am glad. Growing up a Californian allowed me to see and do things that would never have been available to me and it was largely because of living there and not who my family was or how much wealth they had.

A BIG amen to that!

I attribute much of the personal success I have had to where I grew up and lived. I saw what was possible which, forgive me for being so blunt, is difficult to do when living in Seminole, Texas (I only pick on them because I drove through there recently). To dismiss us as a bunch of vacuous, rude complainers is a disservice to Californians and to the contribution we have made to this country.

Another BIG amen to that!

I would never turn my back on California. I moved because at this point in my life, this is a better fit for me and my family. I still go home often. I still love much about it. Sorry for the long post.

I would never turn my back on CA either. There are many, many things I love about it, and of course, there are many reasons why I left. My parents still live there, but only because they're aging and have so many friends in that area.

I have to say I enjoy Texas too, although...... lol

[ladysrodgers]

Originally Posted by nativeDallasite

I'm just going to step in and say two things....

First, both of y'all need to quit fighting; doesn't matter who started it, one of you needs to quit. You're getting nowhere.

Second, ladysrogers...I think you stepped over the line when you implied that tstone is inbred. It's an old, offensive, and damaging stereotype of Southerners that we're all inbred and even though he threw some old tired stereotypes at you, I don't think those are as offensive as implying that someone is inbred, and it kind of makes the point for a lot of people that out-of-staters mock Southerners for being "backward". I'd rather be accused of being shallow than being inbred, that's for sure.

My $0.02 anyway.

I guess it's all a matter of perspective to who the insult is being thrown at, as to the level of offensiveness. But, I get your point.

For the record, I love the Texas accent and even though I may chuckle at some of your expressions, it's not because I think they're hickish or backwards, it's because they're cute.

I've lived in Virginia, Alaska, Oregon, and now Texas. I've visited AZ, NM, OK, AR, TN, KAN, LA, GA, SC, NC, FL, WA, NY, CT, RI, and IL.

Each area of our "great nation" has their own accent and expressions. Granted, some may be easier on the ears than others, but why not embrace them, instead of making dumb comments about how abrassive they are?

Last but not least, I apologize for offending any posters; I'll try to behave.

Thanx, nativeDallasite for bringing me back to earth.

Maybe we should just get together, beat the crap out of eachother to get it out of our systems - then throw back a brew and talk about old times? LOL

[ladysrodgers]

I've lived in Virginia, Alaska, Oregon, and now Texas. I've visited AZ, NM, OK, AR, TN, KAN, LA, GA, SC, NC, FL, WA, NY, CT, RI, and IL.

Correction, I've lived in California...ha ha!

P.S. My parents and grandparents on both sides are from OK, my great-grandparents were Texans.

[blueskies49]

Originally Posted by ladysrodgers

P.S. My parents and grandparents on both sides are from OK, my great-grandparents were Texans.

So ladysrodgers, did you not get occasion to visit OK or TX in your youth? Some people develop an affinity for a place they've had a chance to visit and might feel a connection to it especially if they have kin there. In my case, my mother's side is German and having lived there several years as a child due to the military, I feel somewhat of a connection but probably mainly because I still have some cousins there. But I have to admit, not enough of a connection to want to up and move there. I was born in Texas and this is my home.

So all this carrying on about being Californian and you have actually have some Texas blood in you?

[ladysrodgers]

Originally Posted by blueskies49

So ladysrodgers, did you not get occasion to visit OK or TX in your youth? Some people develop an affinity for a place they've had a chance to visit and might feel a connection to it especially if they have kin there. In my case, my mother's side is German and having lived there several years as a child due to the military, I feel somewhat of a connection but probably mainly because I still have some cousins there. But I have to admit, not enough of a connection to want to up and move there. I was born in Texas and this is my home.

So all this carrying on about being Californian and you have actually have some Texas blood in you?

Oh yes, I visited OK, and Texas about every other year on our vacations. I still have cousins in Amarillo, but I've lost touch with them and don't know their last name. Of course Amarillo, is entirely different than this neck of the woods.

I guess I've felt "some" connection, but not enough to move here. I think I've said before, the only reason I moved to Plano, was to be near my sons.

I certainly don't hate Texas, it just doesn't feel like home to me though.

[midnightbirdgirl]

All I can say is this EX-Californian is more than happy to leave California right where it is.
The only thing, I don't really like about Texas, is the drivers. But I think I know why they drive the way they do here. Things have built up so fast, that most people cannot wrap their heads around all the cars on the road...
I see a lot of road rage here too. One of my DH's employees was purposely rammed a couple of days ago, and I have spoken to a few others who said they have either had that happen of seen it...
scary.
MBG

[tstone]

Originally Posted by midnightbirdgirl

The only thing, I don't really like about Texas, is the drivers. But I think I know why they drive the way they do here. Things have built up so fast, that most people cannot wrap their heads around all the cars on the road...
I see a lot of road rage here too. One of my DH's employees was purposely rammed a couple of days ago, and I have spoken to a few others who said they have either had that happen of seen it...
scary.
MBG

Living here (Houston) all my life I can say I haven't seen any of those things he has. Not yet anyway! ''Road rage'' usually consists of a 120 lb teenager in an old, noisy Honda darting through traffic. Or some wannabe redneck 19 yr old in dad's Dodge Ram yelling at people. Otherwise people stay somewhat cool here... sometimes too cool (55 mph left laners).

Are you in the DFW area by chance? That place has gotten insane to drive around compared to 10 years ago!

Of course, LA always makes it in the top 5 road rage cities.

[momof2dfw]

Originally Posted by midnightbirdgirl

All I can say is this EX-Californian is more than happy to leave California right where it is.
The only thing, I don't really like about Texas, is the drivers. But I think I know why they drive the way they do here. Things have built up so fast, that most people cannot wrap their heads around all the cars on the road...
I see a lot of road rage here too. One of my DH's employees was purposely rammed a couple of days ago, and I have spoken to a few others who said they have either had that happen of seen it...
scary.
MBG

Hey, did the house get sold? Where did you end up in the Dallas area? Haven't seen you post in a long while.


As for the road rage and the drivers, it has not always been this bad. Things have changed since more and more people have moved to this area. You have people that have moved here from other parts of the country and the world that never drove before. Plenty of people move here from places like NYC or Chicago that have never driven and now they are. Couple that with being in a place that is unfamiliar and it is a recipe for all kinds of problems. Then throw in the people that move here from a foreign country that are just learnig to drive, don't know their way around, our rules are different AND they can not read English. So it is easy to end up w/ the conditions we have now and it can happen and does in other areas of the country.