View Poll Results: Should Texas Pass an Open Carry Law for Firearms?
Yes
62 63.92%
No
35 36.08%
12-03-2010, 08:44 PM
Location: New Braunfels, TX
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Originally Posted by
orbius
No and they should put in place stringent psychological and practical tests for people who want a concealed carry license. Instead of giving any bubba with a pulse and a few hundreds bucks a license to carry military weaponry and threaten my freedom to life. Stop whining about your freedoms its time you considered other peoples freedom.
Really? Then you wouldn't mind if we initiated IQ tests for folks prior to them exercising their right to free speech, would you? You forgot that the 2nd Amendment specifically gives citizens the right to
keep and bear arms. There was a reason for that - and IMO, it's time that we recall that lesson. Each of us is responsible for our own safety and well-being. As the Supreme Court has ruled, police officers have no specific responsibility for our individual safety - it's up to us to provide that for ourselves.
12-03-2010, 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by
orbius
No and they should put in place stringent psychological and practical tests for people who want a concealed carry license. Instead of giving any bubba with a pulse and a few hundreds bucks a license to carry military weaponry and threaten my freedom to life. Stop whining about your freedoms its time you considered other peoples freedom.
oh my goodness. I agree 10000000000 percent!
12-04-2010, 01:11 AM
Location: Metromess
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I might trust the state gov't more if it trusted me more, as in enough to allow me to carry a gun openly as well as concealed. When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
12-04-2010, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by
orbius
No and they should put in place stringent psychological and practical tests for people who want a concealed carry license. Instead of giving any bubba with a pulse and a few hundreds bucks a license to carry military weaponry and threaten my freedom to life. Stop whining about your freedoms its time you considered other peoples freedom.
I don't need a license to carry military weaponry in the State of Texas.... Only for a concealed hand gun....
12-04-2010, 12:38 PM
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wouldn't that mean easier access to such firearms, meaning people will be more inclined to use them or threaten to use them...
12-04-2010, 06:42 PM
Location: Van Zandt Cnty, TX
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wouldn't that mean easier access to such firearms, meaning people will be more inclined to use them or threaten to use them...
If you mean that allowing open carry of handguns might make it easier to purchase one; no, it wouldn't.
Allowing open carry of handguns would only change how one could carry a handgun. It wouldn't change the laws reqarding the possesion and/or sale of firearms.
12-04-2010, 06:50 PM
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suemandy23
wouldn't that mean easier access to such firearms, meaning people will be more inclined to use them or threaten to use them... most rules are made because there is always the one eejit who will break the rule ...
True. And the ones who break the rules are invariably the criminals who don't obey rules concerning where guns can be carried or how they are used. I never once heard tell of a person who intends to rob a place being deterred by a "No Gun Allowed" sign on the door.
Oh my gosh...ain't THAT a deterrent!
Luby's Cafeteria. Killeen, Texas. What year was it? No guns allowed. Hell, at that time, concealed carry was illegal in Texas.
Somehow some psychopath figured the law against carrying a handgun did not apply to him, so he goes in and kills at least a dozen innocent people who, perhaps, had decided the state law against carrying DID apply to them. Thus, they were defenseless. Sitting ducks, literally. Or maybe hiding behind whatever cover they could find. Maybe they prayed...or in few heroic cases, charged the guy who had decided not to obey gun control laws and was having a good time killing people...and got shot down because
they had obeyed gun control laws. Too bad the bad guy didn't play by those same rules.
Alternative Universe Scenario: Concealed/Open Carry is permitted for law abiding Texas citizens.
Nut comes into Luby's intent on killing people. Said screwball surveys room and sees dozens of people openly carrying. Decides, oh man, this ain't the place for me.
Or, pulls out gun and begins firing and gets his a$$ blown off before he gets off the third round.
Just saying....
12-05-2010, 07:09 PM
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Let's just all go back to the old west and have everyone carry a gun in a holster. This is sarcasm.
12-05-2010, 07:25 PM
Location: San Antonio, TX
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Originally Posted by
harleytexas
Let's just all go back to the old west and have everyone carry a gun in a holster. This is sarcasm.
Well, most responsible people have health care. They work and pay for it. It's those who spend their money on other things (and I'm not talking food, clothing or shelter; but more like fancy rims for their cars, tattoos and piercings; or even worse, having children they can't afford) rather than "waste" it on health insurance. Of course, when they do get sick or injured, they want the rest of us to pay for it!
And I am glad you think our forefathers were clueless as to what was important when writing the Bill of Rights. I guess you are lacking in your understanding of history, otherwise you would know the reasons why the Second Amendment was included. It followed only the freedom of speech in importance to them, and was a means to protect that right and every other the fledgling national believed so deeply in.
As for "going back to the old West, where everyone carried a gun in a holster," honestly I don't have a problem with that. As many have pointed out before, an armed society is a polite society; and one of the greatest benefits firearms have provided in our culture is that they have become an "equalizer" in terms of coercion. To explain, there are two ways to convince a person to do something they don't want to, physical threat or coercion. A 20-something criminal has a physical advantage over a 70-something-year-old person; but if that 70-something-year-old person is armed, the advantage is gone at which point the only compelling way to "force" someone to do something is through rhetoric.
And I would like to know why it is OK for people to carry weapons concealed but not openly? They are still armed, they still have guns at their disposal; the only difference is you don't know it. Does the scenario change that much if you were aware that they are armed? Unless they are threatening you, you shouldn't be influenced by it one iota; and if they are then they are committing a criminal act, and by that very definition it doesn't matter what the "law" is, this person has chosen to ignore it. Do you really think that criminals will obey some laws while breaking others?
The bottom line is that a law allowing open carry would only allow those who are law-abiding more options in which to carry their firearms. Criminals will continue to carry concealed, openly or however they want in violation of the law anyway. And some basic research would reveal that states that do allow open carry have not had any increase in the use of firearms because of that. This same hyperbole was used to install fear when Texas was considering allowing concealed carry, and the claims of an increase in violence never materialized. I challenge anyone to prove that allowing open carry would have a detrimental effect at all. The truth of the matter is, it won't...
Cheers! M2
Last edited by majormadmax; 12-05-2010 at 07:56 PM ..
12-06-2010, 08:35 AM
Location: Texas
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And I would like to know why it is OK for people to carry weapons concealed but not openly? They are still armed, they still have guns at their disposal; the only difference is you don't know it. Does the scenario change that much if you were aware that they are armed? Unless they are threatening you, you shouldn't be influenced by it one iota; and if they are then they are committing a criminal act, and by that very definition it doesn't matter what the "law" is, this person has chosen to ignore it. Do you really think that criminals will obey some laws while breaking others? Cheers! M2
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People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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