Houston to Dallas Agile Port System (Galveston, Texas City: houses, storage, to move)
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that plan is at least 6 years old if not older and it has already been crushed by souf dallas mafia like shakedown tactics and now the economy
it is not going to get done anytime soon and anything that does get done will not be near the scale expected
once again we can all use this as an example of why dallas and especially souf dallas sucks......because their politicians in souf dallas try and say that companies coming in and buying private land to do a business deal that creates jobs is actually "coming in and buying land cheap to exploit poor residents of the area and those residents deserve to have some stake in the project".......and that stake would come in the form of one of their poverty pimp plantation masters getting a cut of the deal for no investment
Loss of potential port of Houston jobs (not current ones)
Loss of potential revenue from warehouses.
Loss of potential infrastructure associated with shipping
I see it as major pluses for Dallas, major minuses for Houston
Seriously? Are you not aware that the Port of Houston is working with Dallas leaders on building their "inland port"? Basically, the Houston Ship Channel will be VERY crowded when the Panama Canal expansion is complete. The projects proposed for the Houston port area are still happening. This thing going on in Dallas isn't going to stop that.
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Originally Posted by Dallaz
Trinity River Bridge didn't fail, it's not even complete. The Convention Center Hotel is already booked and its not even finished. Horribly run schools.......WOW, but we have some of the best schools in the State and the Country. Fancy Parks are you serious? I didn't know a park could fail. Victory Park didn't fail it CAN be saved. Ghetto Mall LOL are you talking about Southwest Center Mall, who cares about that mall. They built a new mall not to far away from Southwest Center Mall.
Dallas builds for flash. The Trinity River bridge under construction currently could have waited. That could have went toward actual bridges that are needed (I-35 or I-30 reconstruction). Victory Park DID fail. They are trying to reinvent it, but it is still plenty empty. And I still can't understand why they took money away from the City of Dallas firefighters and police officer retirement funds, and want to build an extra expensive condo tower in a market that is pretty saturated already (if the Ritz hasn't even sold out by now...).
Articles are touting it as making Dallas an inland Port for Houston (whatever that means), but don't see how that benefits Houston.
looks like this will be huge for Dallas, but bad news for Houston.
So how exactly are they planning to make this happen? Are they simply going to dredge one of the major North to South rivers (i.e. Brazos) between the two cities or are they going to carve out a new artificial river or Canal?
Seriously? Are you not aware that the Port of Houston is working with Dallas leaders on building their "inland port"? Basically, the Houston Ship Channel will be VERY crowded when the Panama Canal expansion is complete. The projects proposed for the Houston port area are still happening. This thing going on in Dallas isn't going to stop that.
Dallas builds for flash. The Trinity River bridge under construction currently could have waited. That could have went toward actual bridges that are needed (I-35 or I-30 reconstruction). Victory Park DID fail. They are trying to reinvent it, but it is still plenty empty. And I still can't understand why they took money away from the City of Dallas firefighters and police officer retirement funds, and want to build an extra expensive condo tower in a market that is pretty saturated already (if the Ritz hasn't even sold out by now...).
Haters gonna hate.
They did take away the pension fund, they gave them the pension fund to build the tower. They do not have the rest of the funding for the other Trinity Bridges. BTW the Museum Tower will be 2 floors above ground by the end of the month.
Seriously? Are you not aware that the Port of Houston is working with Dallas leaders on building their "inland port"? Basically, the Houston Ship Channel will be VERY crowded when the Panama Canal expansion is complete. The projects proposed for the Houston port area are still happening. This thing going on in Dallas isn't going to stop that.
what does that have to do with anything I said?
I did not say that Houston projects will not stop happening. I do not expect the ships to get to Texas and start flying to Dallas.
read the articles and see what I am talking about.
Dallas is going to be reaping the benefits that Houston would be reapping if the project goes through.
how is Houston getting distribution revenues if the goods are being distributed in Dallas?
How is Houston getting storage revenue if they are being stored in Dallas?
So how exactly are they planning to make this happen? Are they simply going to dredge one of the major North to South rivers (i.e. Brazos) between the two cities or are they going to carve out a new artificial river or Canal?
Basically the ships come in to the port of Houston.
The Containers come off a ship and go onto a train.
The train heads directly for Dallas to the new distribution/warehouse complex.
A bulk of new jobs will be created in this complex where the goods are offloaded and either shipped, or stored in the warehouses.
all of this could be done in Houston, I don't know why Houston is agreeing to do it in Dallas.
I did not say that Houston projects will not stop happening. I do not expect the ships to get to Texas and start flying to Dallas.
read the articles and see what I am talking about.
Dallas is going to be reaping the benefits that Houston would be reapping if the project goes through.
how is Houston getting distribution revenues if the goods are being distributed in Dallas?
How is Houston getting storage revenue if they are being stored in Dallas?
The Port of Houston area can't handle all of the cargo. That's why some will be shipped to Dallas, in a joint effort between the two cities. Go look up the Pelican Island plans, Texas City's plans for more containers/warehouses, etc. There are plenty of warehouses and distribution centers that the Port of Houston area will be receiving in the future. The plan for it is to become more of a container port, once the Panama Canal expansion is complete and the ships from Asia come in.
You're making it sound like Dallas is the only place that will receive any business, and Houston is going to be hurting. Not going to happen. This reminds me of that one article written by a Dallas reporter that said "this ships will pull up in Houston, but all the logistics will be done in Dallas". LOL, couldn't be further from the truth.
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Originally Posted by HtownLove
Basically the ships come in to the port of Houston.
The Containers come off a ship and go onto a train.
The train heads directly for Dallas to the new distribution/warehouse complex.
A bulk of new jobs will be created in this complex where the goods are offloaded and either shipped, or stored in the warehouses.
all of this could be done in Houston, I don't know why Houston is agreeing to do it in Dallas.
Wrong. The Port of Houston area just doesn't have the capacity to handle all of the new containers and things once the Panama Canal is complete. That's why they are doing this in Dallas. Houston is still building plenty of warehouse space and all, and will receive more benefit than Dallas, since Houston is the place getting all the ships. Not all of the cargo will be going to Dallas, only some. This was a big debate a few years ago (on another forum) when this was news, and a lot of your reasoning, in your post here was proven wrong. The number of jobs being created in Dallas Agile Port (the most optimistic estimates have it at 30,000 in 25-40 years) is like one tenth of the jobs at the Port of Houston currently.
The Port of Houston area can't handle all of the cargo. That's why some will be shipped to Dallas, in a joint effort between the two cities. Go look up the Pelican Island plans, Texas City's plans for more containers/warehouses, etc. There are plenty of warehouses and distribution centers that the Port of Houston area will be receiving in the future. The plan for it is to become more of a container port, once the Panama Canal expansion is complete and the ships from Asia come in.
You're making it sound like Dallas is the only place that will receive any business, and Houston is going to be hurting. Not going to happen. This reminds me of that one article written by a Dallas reporter that said "this ships will pull up in Houston, but all the logistics will be done in Dallas". LOL, couldn't be further from the truth.
Wrong. The Port of Houston area just doesn't have the capacity to handle all of the new containers and things once the Panama Canal is complete. That's why they are doing this in Dallas. Houston is still building plenty of warehouse space and all, and will receive more benefit than Dallas, since Houston is the place getting all the ships. Not all of the cargo will be going to Dallas, only some. This was a big debate a few years ago (on another forum) when this was news, and a lot of your reasoning, in your post here was proven wrong. The number of jobs being created in Dallas Agile Port (the most optimistic estimates have it at 30,000 in 25-40 years) is like one tenth of the jobs at the Port of Houston currently.
Do you have anything to back up what you are saying?
I have seen tons and tons of article about improvements in Dallas. For Houston I only saw improvements for the Port itself. No accompanying infrastructure. As for the warehouses, I think companies like Walmart and Home Depot took preemptive moves and leased space, but I see nothing for Houston like what Dallas is doing.
Do you have anything to back up what you are saying?
I have seen tons and tons of article about improvements in Dallas. For Houston I only saw improvements for the Port itself. No accompanying infrastructure. As for the warehouses, I think companies like Walmart and Home Depot took preemptive moves and leased space, but I see nothing for Houston like what Dallas is doing.
You've never heard of the Bayport Terminal, Pelican Island project, etc.? Do some Google searches and a lot will come up. But, you are really overestimating this thing in Dallas. For one, it's not going to happen overnight. Like I said, even the most optimistic estimates for jobs at this place in 30 years is at 30,000. That's only one-tenth of the jobs at the Port of Houston now currently. And yes, places like Walmart do have their largest distribution center in the nation in Houston. Didn't know Home Depot leased some space near the Port also. Can't forget that Houston is also a HUGE coffee port, among other things.
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. The Convention Center Hotel is already booked and its not even finished. Horribly run schools.......WOW, but we have some of the best schools in the State and the Country. Fancy Parks are you serious? I didn't know a park could fail. Victory Park didn't fail it CAN be saved. Ghetto Mall LOL are you talking about Southwest Center Mall, who cares about that mall. They built a new mall not to far away from Southwest Center Mall.
