Which city has the worst traffic TYLER,LONGVIEW,MARSHALL,OR NACOGDOCHES (Beaumont: metro, coastal)

[xS☺Be]

Originally Posted by dee936

I believe its tyler and nacogdoches north st is like broadway and at 12 o clock cant get were you going unless you get on 224loop which is similar to a freeway.

Broadway? In NYC?

Somehow I doubt it.

[An0nym0us88]

Originally Posted by xS☺Be

Broadway? In NYC?

Somehow I doubt it.

Broadway on U.S. 69 in Tyler.

I wonder who is the other person voted Nacogdoches beside Dee?

You've got to be kidding me for voting Nacogdoches over a city that is almost 3 times larger than Nacogdoches.

[An0nym0us88]

Originally Posted by dee936

I believe its tyler and nacogdoches north st is like broadway and at 12 o clock cant get were you going unless you get on 224loop which is similar to a freeway.

Umm... no. North Street has 2 lanes on each side while Broadway in Tyler has 3 lanes on each side all the way from Loop 323 to Cumberland intersection. Imagine Broadway with 2 lanes on each side.

Yes, North Street is bad but nowhere near Broadway in Tyler.

[dee936]

First off if Tyler had a freeway system at the loop then traffic wouldn't even be heavy because there isn't any major shopping inside the loop for ppl to head in the inner city.You need to see traffic count map and north st should have been sixlanes along time ago at 12 0 clock traffic from downtown to north loop is very congested with people fighting there way to other corridors and n university the same thing.I stayed in Tyler for 2yrs and admit from skate plex to 323 loop is congested but the rest is the loop,which should have been built like NAc and Lufkin.
skateplex to the mall is about 3 miles but in Nac from downtown to N loop 224 is a 7 mile stretch and congested

[kca1020]

Originally Posted by Metro Matt

Tyler's working population swells to over 150,000 people each day. Combine that with the fact we don't have any freeways & a whole lot of stop lights makes traffic here comparable to some larger Texas cities.

I'd put it right up there with North Dallas suburbs like Addison & Carrollton as a matter of fact.

What does Tyler have against overpasses?

[ctk0p7]

Originally Posted by kca1020

What does Tyler have against overpasses?

I'm thinking that depending on the TXDOT district a city is in determines their preference in highway designs. The Tyler TXDOT seems to prefer loops with at grade intersections and lights at all the major intersections like the loop around Tyler and Longview. The Lufkin TXDOT district uses overpasses on the loops around Lufkin and Nacogdoches, but they are not freeway standard due to driveways and crossovers. The only city I think in East Texas with a full freeway system is Texarkana.

[Metro Matt]

Originally Posted by kca1020

What does Tyler have against overpasses?

The city just wasn't designed that way & good thing...

Dallas is trying to fix decades of void life in Downtown with a mulit-million dollar park deck to connect with "Uptown".

Houston's Midtown & East Side are totally cut off from Downtown with the Pierce Elevated & 59.

Austin's East Side is cut off from Downtown by the massive antiquated double decker otherwise known as I-35.

Even smaller cities like Waco, Denton, & Beaumont are cut off by sprawling freeway development.

Tyler has no freeways, loops, bridges, overpasses, or what so ever cutting off downtown from the rest of the inner loop & that's a VERY positive aspect for future urban growth & development.

[Metro Matt]

Originally Posted by ctk0p7

I'm thinking that depending on the TXDOT district a city is in determines their preference in highway designs. The Tyler TXDOT seems to prefer loops with at grade intersections and lights at all the major intersections like the loop around Tyler and Longview. The Lufkin TXDOT district uses overpasses on the loops around Lufkin and Nacogdoches, but they are not freeway standard due to driveways and crossovers. The only city I think in East Texas with a full freeway system is Texarkana.

Beaumont/Port Aurthur/Orange, Texas aka The Golden Triangle.

[Mark Senior]

Tyler city officals keep saying "no thanks" to overpasses and freeways for as many years as I, old timer, can remember. Apparently city has the last say? State offered overpasses on the West Loop, would have gone over the highway 31 and 64 west intersection with the loop - said last chance before major development that has now taken place - city said no thanks - my assumption after listening to city leaders for years is that they simply don't want to encourage rapid growth - slow and steady if any.

That seems to go inline with their no tax dollars, property or sale taxes is to be spent on attracting new companies to town - voted on by and approved by citizens some 15 - 20 years ago - just spend the tax money on fire stations trucks police cars etc repairing steets not economic development - this was also shared with me by Tom Mullins Chief Executive of the Economice Development Office, some 6-8 years ago.

[Dariusb]

[quote=ctk0p7;26369981]I'm thinking that depending on the TXDOT district a city is in determines their preference in highway designs. The Tyler TXDOT seems to prefer loops with at grade intersections and lights at all the major intersections like the loop around Tyler and Longview. The Lufkin TXDOT district uses overpasses on the loops around Lufkin and Nacogdoches, but they are not freeway standard due to driveways and crossovers. The only city I think in East Texas with a full freeway system is Texarkana.[/quote]

Yes and our system will only get bigger as I-49 continues to plow through the Arkansas side and as the I-169 connector and I-249 get underway. Plus part of our current loop will be renumbered as I-369.