Drug Testing Welfare Applicants (Port Arthur, Katy: home, school, live)
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lol at the people who think the people on welfare aren't struggling. They are. It's clearly not a desirable lifestyle, and if you view it as such, I'm confused as to why you wouldn't stop working so you could reap in the same benefits.
I also find it peculiar to add a significant cost to these social safety nets at a time that our state elected officials want to slash the costs for everything. I'm not convinced we'll see a large enough drop-off of qualified welfare candidates when drug tests are implemented to offset the new costs. For a state that is a leader in minimum wage jobs, there is a lot of other MORE constructive policy choices that can be done to get people off of welfare.
A friend of mine emailed me this earlier..........and it goes PERFECTLY with the topic of this thread........enjoy
Put me in charge . . .
Put me in charge of food stamps.
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AND While you are on Gov’t subsistence, you no longer can VOTE! Yes that is
correct. For you to vote would be a conflict of interest. You will
voluntarily remove yourself from voting while you are receiving a Gov’t
welfare check. If you want to vote, then get a job.
Your hired!
Last weekend I was buying groceries, and I noticed the person in front of me used a Lone Star card. When I walked out of the store, I noticed that same person loading groceries into their 2010 Escalade! WTF?
Or how about last Christmas when I was watching a local news story about the Brown Santa program. One family that was receiving gifts had a brand new big screen tv in their living room.
That is what really gets under my skin. People who abuse the system, and in turn are also hurting truly needy people. What some people really need is a class on basic finance.
Your hired!
Last weekend I was buying groceries, and I noticed the person in front of me used a Lone Star card. When I walked out of the store, I noticed that same person loading groceries into their 2010 Escalade! WTF?
Or how about last Christmas when I was watching a local news story about the Brown Santa program. One family that was receiving gifts had a brand new big screen tv in their living room.
That is what really gets under my skin. People who abuse the system, and in turn are also hurting truly needy people. What some people really need is a class on basic finance.
You are not alone, that also happens here in the Bay Area. I was behind one of them at an asian grocery store when they paid for a large box of what appeared to be discarded meat and boxes unsellable produce. The volume is what caught my eye but then the guy paid for it with food stamps and drug his boxes out to a new car. The clerk at the store said the man owned a restaurant. Total lack of morals or character and who would want to eat at his restaurant.
But, how can we complain about an individual when our politicians are so much worse than that! It isn't a perfect system but it is better than living in the middle east so we need to work harder to build on what we do have. I wonder how many have noticed that the riots in the UK are based on resentment over their policies.
lol at the people who think the people on welfare aren't struggling. They are. It's clearly not a desirable lifestyle, and if you view it as such, I'm confused as to why you wouldn't stop working so you could reap in the same benefits.
I also find it peculiar to add a significant cost to these social safety nets at a time that our state elected officials want to slash the costs for everything. I'm not convinced we'll see a large enough drop-off of qualified welfare candidates when drug tests are implemented to offset the new costs. For a state that is a leader in minimum wage jobs, there is a lot of other MORE constructive policy choices that can be done to get people off of welfare.
Drugs like heroin and cocaine leave your system in three days. Not sure how it will work, except for catching the people who smoke weed, since that drug stays in your system the longest (weeks to months). The alcoholics will still be okay though. Cheating the welfare system isn't the problem. Hardly anything goes into public assistance anyway.
Federal expenditures for 2011 alone are over 600 Billion for over 122 welfare programs. This doesn't include money paid out to extend unemployment funding.
600 Billion dollars, a large portion spent needlessly going toward people defrauding the system.
LMAO....WHATEVER!! And where is your proof that it would cost more? Has it been done? Probably not. I have a friend that works at a convenience store that is next to a Section 8 apartment complex, and the stories she has told me would make your head spin.
They drive up in their blinged out cars with 22 inch spinner rims. Sound systems that would fill a large nightclub. Come in dressed in new threads, freshly done nails and just attached weaves. Buy their Black and Milds, Newports & 40's with wads of 20's, 50's & 100's.......yet but their food with Food Stamps. And it isnt even good food, its junk like sodas, candy, chips and other stuff that'll make you bigger than a barn, (which eventually leads to their obesity and health problems that WE end up paying for).
So don't give me that bleeding heart liberal sob story.
People who wanna tax and drug test the CEO's and rich business men, seem to forget who owns the companies that employ us taxpayers that DO WORK ....its the CEOs and Rich!! They are keeping those of us (left) that are employed, getting a paycheck.
Where is this "liberal sob story" you speak of? Florida is giving this a try and they are discovering that it costs a lot of money to drug screen hundreds of thousands of recipients for few positive outcomes. There are much better ways to reform our welfare system than singling out this group for drug tests.
My other point is that the US government has given trillions of dollars to assist large businesses. If 2008 serves as a lesson, then you know people at the top abuse the system as much as those at the bottom. I am glad they provide jobs, but it doesn't necessarily excuse their abuse of the system.
I do not deny that there are many who should be screened for their use of tax payer funds, rich and poor. Even so, your anecdotal evidence does not match up with the actual practices of the majority of public assistance recipients.
Last edited by samwill89; 08-10-2011 at 09:42 PM..
Federal expenditures for 2011 alone are over 600 Billion for over 122 welfare programs. This doesn't include money paid out to extend unemployment funding.
600 Billion dollars, a large portion spent needlessly going toward people defrauding the system.
You have to look at the percentage of the national budget that goes into public assistance. And when you do, it's nothing compared to other countries where they have higher qualities of living because of their higher percentage of their national budget being spent on it. There needs to be reform though, for both the top and bottom.
Where is this "liberal sob story" you speak of? Florida is giving this a try and they are discovering that it costs a lot of money to drug screen hundreds of thousands of recipients for few positive outcomes. There are much better ways to reform our welfare system than singling out this group for drug tests.
That's because abusers already know how to buck the system with a gallon of water and B-complex tablet. Those who can't do that likely know about synthetic urine and a heat-controlled whizz pack. I used to manage menial jobs and this kind of stuff has been known about everywhere in this social class for years.
All this test is, is an IQ test that most people on the public dime can pass. This is simply more feel-good, money wasting government action. How liberal, and just what our country needs right now.
My husband has worked for several Fortune 500 companies, all of which do random drug testing of all employees, including all executives. And yes, there are consequences, such as immediate dismissal if they do not pass. He was actually randomly selected this week. When we lived in Katy, both of my kids had to agree to be randomly tested to be allowed to participate in any school activity, including parking a car on campus. Our youngest got randomly selected 3 times in one semester! If the rest of us have to do it, why should welfare recipients get a pass?
You have to look at the percentage of the national budget that goes into public assistance. And when you do, it's nothing compared to other countries where they have higher qualities of living because of their higher percentage of their national budget being spent on it. There needs to be reform though, for both the top and bottom.
I really have no concerns for what other countries spend on welfare as I don't pay taxes in other countries. My concerns are exclusively what accountability actions are taken in the USA.
Other countries are going broke faster than we are from funding social entitlement programs started years before us, and farther reaching. Most Socialist European countries are examples of the failure of the welfare class society.
Urinalysis testing can be done with minimal costs for a variety of illegal and legal substances, with the individual cost on contract with, as an example, PharmChem, costs average around $12.00 per submitted specimen.
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