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Unread 04-30-2012, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Up on the moon laughing down on you
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Notice how the only state in the south that Romney won was Florida. A state that is not really Southern to begin with. If Obama gets out the black vote like he did the last time he will win more than Virginia and North Carolina. The repubs are just not that interested in Romney.
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Unread 04-30-2012, 12:02 PM
 
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Much of Florida is quite Southern! That's like saying Texas isn't really Southern to begin with, because one is ignorant of East Texas and thinks of Texas as part of the West or Southwest only.
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Unread 04-30-2012, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Dallas-Fort Worth, Texas
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Jefferson County has a long history of unionised industry, which pretty much explains why it votes Dem, although I must say that unions have been so weakened that it's surprising to me that in basically conservative Southeast Texas, a Democratic majority has been maintained. A couple of other demographic factors are a large African-American population and a sizeable number of persons from Acadiana who settled in SE TX in the mid-Twentieth Century, bringing along, I presume, certain old populist Democratic leanings, a la the Huey Long tradition.
Yes, it wasn't mentioned in the post about counties that will vote Democratic. The county itself is minority-majority (around 52% non-Hispanic white if I did the correct math), so combine that with unionization (even if in decline) and Blue Dog populist Democrats, there you go.
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Unread 04-30-2012, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Dallas-Fort Worth, Texas
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Notice how the only state in the south that Romney won was Florida. A state that is not really Southern to begin with. If Obama gets out the black vote like he did the last time he will win more than Virginia and North Carolina. The repubs are just not that interested in Romney.
There's a huge hatred out there for Obama among the far-right. They also don't like Romney. Interesting to see how this will all turn.
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Unread 04-30-2012, 03:53 PM
 
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There's a huge hatred out there for Obama among the far-right. They also don't like Romney. Interesting to see how this will all turn.
yeah but republicans have funny mindsets. They go out to vote for people they like, not vote against people they don't like.

They would rather needle Obama by packing Congress with Republicans to counter his every move than go out strongly for a candidate they think little of.

Bush would blow Obama out of the water (even though Obama won running against Bush) because he was able to stir up the base.

When it comes down to it this election's issue is the economy. Romney has no national Politics credentials, he only won the nomination because he started campaigning 6 years before anyone else, and he comes with a ton of negatives.

I am not sure that the country would change captains mid voyage like this, especially since there has been SOME progress.

also there is not much Obama can do without a supportive congress. Executive Orders can only get you so far. The President is an Overseer. People should blame congress for their woes, not the puppet in the White House.
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Unread 04-30-2012, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Plano, TX (Russell Creek)
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^^^Ill put it this way: Mitt Romney in 2012 is to Republicans what John Kerry was to Democrats in 2004. They dont like him really, they just find him the least repulsive cannidate they could find.

However, the flip side of that coin is that the Republicans have two very young rising stars in Marco Rubio and Paul Ryan. They are to Republicans in 2012 what Barrack Obama was to Democrats in 2004.

Bottom line is that this isnt going to be the Repblicans year just like 2004 wasnt the Democrats year. However, with their rising stars, 2016 will probably be pretty good for the Republicans.
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Unread 04-30-2012, 06:19 PM
 
Location: The Lone Star State
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However, the flip side of that coin is that the Republicans have two very young rising stars in Marco Rubio and Paul Ryan. They are to Republicans in 2012 what Barrack Obama was to Democrats in 2004.
I hadn't thought much about that, but great point.

Anyway, I'm by no means hardcore Republican (hard to trust the establishment) but it's hard to get much worse than what we have now.... inept, and country is going in the wrong direction. Obama has been lackluster at best, destructive at worst. Congress isn't helping.
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Unread 04-30-2012, 06:36 PM
 
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^^^Ill put it this way: Mitt Romney in 2012 is to Republicans what John Kerry was to Democrats in 2004. They dont like him really, they just find him the least repulsive cannidate they could find.

However, the flip side of that coin is that the Republicans have two very young rising stars in Marco Rubio and Paul Ryan. They are to Republicans in 2012 what Barrack Obama was to Democrats in 2004.

Bottom line is that this isnt going to be the Repblicans year just like 2004 wasnt the Democrats year. However, with their rising stars, 2016 will probably be pretty good for the Republicans.
Although she is starting to look like the crypt keepers mom, a match up between Hillary and Marco Rubio would be interesting.

The Hispanics love the Clintons and have deep connections in Texas and the SW. But Rubio is Hispanic himself so that would be interesting.
Would they vote for Hispanic who probably won't get anything done for them, or vote for someone they know and who has taken care of them.

But I am not looking at the downside. Many hispanics don't vote republican anyway, and having a hispanic on top of the ticket might scare non hispanic republicans into staying home, or voting democrat just to stop it. People hold on to crazy theories. Although Rubio isn't Mexican all these crazy theories will pop up about how Rubio wants to open the boarders between Mexico and other conspiracy theories.

Rubio is a firecracker in Florida, but I dunno how he would be accepted on the national stage. Bill Richardson ran for President and had a lackluster run, but Richardson is lackluster and not a whole lot Hispanic (Both his parents were Half Caucasian)
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Unread 04-30-2012, 06:42 PM
 
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Although she is starting to look like the crypt keepers mom, a match up between Hillary and Marco Rubio would be interesting.

The Hispanics love the Clintons and have deep connections in Texas and the SW. But Rubio is Hispanic himself so that would be interesting.
Would they vote for Hispanic who probably won't get anything done for them, or vote for someone they know and who has taken care of them.

But I am not looking at the downside. Many hispanics don't vote republican anyway, and having a hispanic on top of the ticket might scare non hispanic republicans into staying home, or voting democrat just to stop it. People hold on to crazy theories. Although Rubio isn't Mexican all these crazy theories will pop up about how Rubio wants to open the boarders between Mexico and other conspiracy theories.

Rubio is a firecracker in Florida, but I dunno how he would be accepted on the national stage. Bill Richardson ran for President and had a lackluster run, but Richardson is lackluster and not a whole lot Hispanic (Both his parents were Half Caucasian)
I really can't see Mexican americans in my state voting for a non/mex amer politician, but we'll see. There is precedent of course. The governors of New Mexico and Nevada (although he denies his heritage) are both Hispanic Repblicans of mex descent. Ted Cruz is currently running for Atty General here in Tex, although he is of cuban descent, not mex.

You are right about the Clintons being well liked by the mex americans here in Tex. When Hillary came to town in San Antonio in 2008, there was a very obvious preference for her over Obama among mex americans.
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Unread 04-30-2012, 08:14 PM
 
Location: The Great Southwest
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[quote=sxrckr;24100566]I hadn't thought much about that, but great point.

Anyway, I'm by no means hardcore Republican (hard to trust the establishment) but it's hard to get much worse than what we have now.... inept, and country is going in the wrong direction. Obama has been lackluster at best, destructive at worst. Congress isn't helping.[/quote

I agree.

And....some of us DO hold our noses and vote for someone we don't really like all that much, but consider it a far lesser evil than the status quo.

I'm going to have to hold mine big time, just like I did in 2008.
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