Sebastien De La Cruz, 11, Sings National Anthem, Gets Wild Applause at Game 4 (San Antonio: appointed, activity)

[Nairobi]

Originally Posted by War Beagle

A gospel rendition would probably be nice. But a mariachi costume is a little different than what you described. One is traditional cultural attire and the other is just low class.

So says you.

[Scientific]

I think you're going off topic. But other than urban culture, since when does saggy jeans and Nikes equate to a cultural identity associated with a region. Such as Mexico and the mariachi? In turn extending to Tejano identity?

Saggy jeans and Nikes could also be the attire of a skater in the suburbs, who sings a rock rendition of the NA. Doesnt have to be Tyrone.

[War Beagle]

Originally Posted by Nairobi

So says you.

Nope - sagging pants is low class. Doesn't matter who it is either. I've seen blacks, whites, Hispanics and even some Asians sag. It's low class regardless of who does it. That even applies to the girls with the whale tails. No one is interested in seeing other peoples' butt cracks in public.

The real question is what does it say about a group of people if they consider sagging pants to be "cultural attire".

[Nairobi]

Originally Posted by Scientific

I think you're going off topic. But other than urban culture, since when does saggy jeans and Nikes equate to a cultural identity associated with a region. Such as Mexico and the mariachi? In turn extending to Tejano identity?

Saggy jeans and Nikes could also be the attire of a skater in the suburbs, who sings a rock rendition of the NA. Doesnt have to be Tyrone.

Hip-hop is a culture of its own, with roots in a specific ethnic group, whether people choose to recognize it or not. That skater in the burbs borrowed that style of dress from that culture.

[Nairobi]

Originally Posted by War Beagle

Nope - sagging pants is low class. Doesn't matter who it is either. I've seen blacks, whites, Hispanics and even some Asians sag. It's low class regardless of who does it. That even applies to the girls with the whale tails. No one is interested in seeing other peoples' butt cracks in public.

The real question is what does it say about a group of people if they consider sagging pants to be "cultural attire".

All sagging doesn't reveal underwear or someone's backside, so there's the hole in your logic right there. But you get to deem it as "low class" simply because it's something you can't relate to. I do believe there's a term for that...

The funny thing is, as adamant as you are about a certain style of dress being unacceptable, there's a whole parade of people who feel just as strongly about De La Cruz's costume. What's stopping them from claiming he's just a lazy, low-class, illegal, with possible drug ties, based on what he's wearing?

[Scientific]

Originally Posted by Nairobi

All sagging doesn't reveal underwear or someone's backside, so there's the hole in your logic right there. But you get to deem it as "low class" simply because it's something you can't relate to. I do believe there's a term for that...

The funny thing is, as adamant as you are about a certain style of dress being unacceptable, there's a whole parade of people who feel just as strongly about De La Cruz's costume. What's stopping them from claiming he's just a lazy, low-class, illegal, with possible drug ties, based on what he's wearing?

Because it isnt. Its associated with Mexcio's music and heritage, thus many Mexican American identities. The same way the kilts have been presented by the Irish Americans.

Not something you see in some random hood while someone is standing in front of a corner. I'm a huge fan of rap and hip hop. But, no it isnt the same thing.

[War Beagle]

Originally Posted by Nairobi

All sagging doesn't reveal underwear or someone's backside, so there's the hole in your logic right there. But you get to deem it as "low class" simply because it's something you can't relate to. I do believe there's a term for that...

The funny thing is, as adamant as you are about a certain style of dress being unacceptable, there's a whole parade of people who feel just as strongly about De La Cruz's costume. What's stopping them from claiming he's just a lazy, low-class, illegal, with possible drug ties, based on what he's wearing?

If you want to make the argument that sagging is a cultural achievement, I am certainly not going to try and stop you. By all means, please carry on.

[Nairobi]

I suggest the two of you do some research on "narcocorrido", and just how easily it can be accusingly tied to mariachi, the same way that hip-hop/street culture, and some of its exports (i.e. sagging) are often tied to illegal activity and leading a "low class" lifestyle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMhILuo3us0

[Scientific]

The discussion is pointless. Maricahi music isnt Narcocorrido. Mariachi has a long storied history in Mexico, and is something completely different. If you confuse the two, then you're not educated on it's music, history, and cultural connection to Mexicans and Mexican Americans.

And no, no one should be confusing that. Rap was a product of the street/inner city environment. People hated on the kid because its easy to. Thats it. Nothing to do with narcorridos, and attaching the kid to illegal activities.

[DanielWayne]

You don't have municipalities trying to outlaw Mariachi dress. It's actually considered dignified. Now sagging on the other hand...

No comparison between the two.

Mariachi has been around centuries longer than narco songs.