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Old 01-05-2014, 10:02 AM
 
Location: The Bayou City
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I am not trolling. I do not see in the report any numbers of Atlanta GMP higher than Dallas GMP. Currently looking through it again. Perhaps my brain is being an idiot today.
i definitely saw it. in the graph/chart that has numbers listed from 2011-2014.
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Old 01-05-2014, 10:05 AM
 
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i definitely saw it. in the graph/chart that has numbers listed from 2011-2014.
See edit. I get it now.
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Old 01-06-2014, 07:28 AM
 
Location: Rocky Mountain Xplorer
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Yeah, but your link is for 2012. That's the reason for the difference. Dallas punches way above its weight but I was just pointing out a minor flaw.

Also, to be technical, yes Atlanta has more people than stand alone Dallas. But when cities get to about 5 million people, you don't really notice a million more or a million less. Detroit can feel just as busy as Atlanta and Atlanta feels just as busy as DFW. It's weird how that plays out in real life.
Not so - the really heavy hitters usually have a much larger portion of their economy in manufacturing, whereas municipal economies like Dallas have more of a bias tilted towards a service-oriented base.
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Old 01-06-2014, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Willowbend/Houston
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Not so - the really heavy hitters usually have a much larger portion of their economy in manufacturing, whereas municipal economies like Dallas have more of a bias tilted towards a service-oriented base.
Give it up Jim. I dont care how much you hate Dallas, facts are facts. Its getting to the point where youre just telling lies and hoping others believe you.

The economy size of just Dallas punches WAY above its weight based on its population.
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Old 01-06-2014, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Rocky Mountain Xplorer
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Give it up Jim. I dont care how much you hate Dallas, facts are facts. Its getting to the point where youre just telling lies and hoping others believe you.

The economy size of just Dallas punches WAY above its weight based on its population.
Pete I'm trying to help you out here on the basics of economics, more specifically microeconomics.
I'm sure you realize that there's more blue-collar in places like Chicago or Houston for example than say Dallas, right Pete ? And as you know there's a stronger correlation between blue-collar employment and manufacturing-industrial based industries than there is for while-collar and service based industries, right ?
And this is because of the so-called multiplier-effect found with manufacturing jobs.
That's all I'm saying here, how you interpret that as any kind of disparaging remark about Dallas is beyond my understanding ? You need to help me out here Pete ?
Please take a couple minutes here Pete to read the article I've provided as a reference:
The Magic Job Multiplier of Manufacturing | Jerry Jasinowski
"The Multiplier Effect: There Are More Manufacturing Related Jobs Than You Think," by Keith D. Nosbusch and John A. Bernaden of Rockwell Automation. Their point is that even those of us actively engaged in touting the importance of manufacturing to our economy have been understating its true impact. An airliner for example may have 3 million components and an ordinary car as many as 10,000 coming from a vast array of suppliers. As manufactured products and processes become more complex and productive, they give rise to a host of skilled paraprofessional and professionals in nonmanufacturing jobs such as logistics and transportation, customer service, technical support, regulatory and safety specialists, distribution employees trained in use of information driven tools for receiving, storing and picking, the list goes on and on.
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Old 01-07-2014, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Not so - the really heavy hitters usually have a much larger portion of their economy in manufacturing, whereas municipal economies like Dallas have more of a bias tilted towards a service-oriented base.
Atlanta falls into this category as well. So would San Francisco, Washington DC, Boston, and Miami.

Still the fact that Dallas has a $300 billion economy with less than 5
million people is quite a feat and surely commendable.
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Old 01-07-2014, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Willowbend/Houston
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Pete I'm trying to help you out here on the basics of economics, more specifically microeconomics.
I'm sure you realize that there's more blue-collar in places like Chicago or Houston for example than say Dallas, right Pete ? And as you know there's a stronger correlation between blue-collar employment and manufacturing-industrial based industries than there is for while-collar and service based industries, right ?
And this is because of the so-called multiplier-effect found with manufacturing jobs.
That's all I'm saying here, how you interpret that as any kind of disparaging remark about Dallas is beyond my understanding ? You need to help me out here Pete ?
Please take a couple minutes here Pete to read the article I've provided as a reference:
The Magic Job Multiplier of Manufacturing | Jerry Jasinowski
"The Multiplier Effect: There Are More Manufacturing Related Jobs Than You Think," by Keith D. Nosbusch and John A. Bernaden of Rockwell Automation. Their point is that even those of us actively engaged in touting the importance of manufacturing to our economy have been understating its true impact. An airliner for example may have 3 million components and an ordinary car as many as 10,000 coming from a vast array of suppliers. As manufactured products and processes become more complex and productive, they give rise to a host of skilled paraprofessional and professionals in nonmanufacturing jobs such as logistics and transportation, customer service, technical support, regulatory and safety specialists, distribution employees trained in use of information driven tools for receiving, storing and picking, the list goes on and on.
Help me nothing, you need to come to terms with your own bias before you can help me understand anything.

Jim, first off its hard to take you serious based on some of the things youve posted. Most of what you have posted recently are blatant swipes at Dallas. On top of that, most of them have been a stretch of the truth or devoid of any logic to anyone but you. Its as if you will only present things in a spin to make Dallas seem less than.

Secondly, Dallas is a heavy hitter. Here is why. Even if you split Dallas from Fort Worth, you have a 4.5 million population with a $300 billion economy. Thats extremely high given the population. To put this in perspective, look at the below:

Atlanta: 5.5 million people and a $305 billion economy
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 5.8 million people and $284 billion economy
Phoenix: 4.3 million people and a $210 billion economy
Philadelphia: 6 million people and a $373 billion economy

So yes, for its size Dallas is a heavy hitter. No way around that.

None of this is to put Fort Worth down. Its a great city and I enjoy it very much. I also, like everyone else, do not consider it a suburb of Dallas. However, in 2014, Fort Worth is NOT its own metro area any more than Dallas is. The two are far to intertwined and cannot be seperated. Not by county line, not by suburb, not by anything.
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Old 01-08-2014, 06:17 AM
 
Location: Rocky Mountain Xplorer
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Listen PeterLJ, it's beyond me how you can claim that I'm taking swipes at Dallas when I'm just trying to set the historical record straight. I mean the citys marguee sports team plays it's games in another citys suburb, and even the TV character who made the city famous is a figment of some Hollywood guys imagination. Why is an attempt at clarification of historical information so difficult for you to deal with ?
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