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Old 09-11-2014, 12:44 PM
 
Location: The Mid-Cities
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People have used that same argument to give reasons on why Houston or Dallas should not bother improving their mass transit system.

Anyways I definitely think Texas will benefit from this in the future if HSR does indeed get built between Houston and Dallas (with spurs to Austin and San Antonio as well). Otherwise you would just get stuck with clogged airports and highways just like in California or the Northeastern US which did not react in time to the huge growth in population those regions were experiencing.
You don't have to go that far. Just look at Austin and the traffic there. It's rated as one of the worst in the country precisely because they blocked highways from getting built to prevent growth. Well the area grew anyway with a big transit dilemma.
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Old 09-11-2014, 05:08 PM
 
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It's rated as one of the worst in the country precisely because they blocked highways from getting built to prevent growth.
That's because preventing roads from being built doesn't prevent growth. Preventing buildings from being built prevents growth, and Austin is near the top in housing construction in the US.

Also per the latest TomTom traffic report, Austin is the 11th largest city by population, and has the 16th worst traffic in the US. To compare, Seattle is the 21st largest city, and has the 4th worst traffic.

Per the TomTom report again, Houston has the worst traffic in TX, at 14 while being the 4th largest in terms of population. Austin only has bad traffic anecdotally, not statistically. Tucson AZ & New Orleans have worse traffic statistically than Austin.
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Old 09-11-2014, 06:07 PM
 
Location: Who Cares, USA
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Also per the latest TomTom traffic report, Austin is the 11th largest city by population, and has the 16th worst traffic in the US. To compare, Seattle is the 21st largest city, and has the 4th worst traffic.

Per the TomTom report again, Houston has the worst traffic in TX, at 14 while being the 4th largest in terms of population. Austin only has bad traffic anecdotally, not statistically. Tucson AZ & New Orleans have worse traffic statistically than Austin.
I don't know what this TomTom report is or how their methodology works, but the Austin/Seattle comparison doesn't make much sense, since traffic really should be gauged on MSA's, not city-proper. Most traffic comes from suburb-to-downtown commuters, and Seattle's metro is twice as big as Austin's, even if Austin-proper is bigger than Seattle-proper. Granted, Seattle's traffic is miserable. Definitely some of the worst in the nation. Largely due in part to Seattle's downtown being wedged in-between the Puget Sound and Lake Washington. Austin's reasons for having horrible traffic are due to a poor freeway network and lack of transit options.
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