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Location: East Texas, with the Clan of the Cave Bear
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Originally Posted by radiolibre99
Yes I agree with your points but does it have to always be a liberal vs conservative thing to a lot of texans? I mean I'm as liberal as they come and cannot stand the strand of liberalism is California. I would much rather prefer the down home country liberalism of Bill Moyers, Kinky Friedman, Willie Nelson and the Austin scene than the stuffy elitist liberalism of Hollywood.
I guess it could have been qualified with terms like "the new socialist Liberalism" or "Progressivism". It is the destructive sides of the Left which are at work destroying the US middle class, redistributing their wealth, at war with non destructive traditions ... this is the Libs of which I loathe and which I wrote of.
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Originally Posted by radiolibre99
It I had to say there was a downside to the people it would be the still ever present shadow of racism that still looms or at least the whole pressuposed notions about other races and cultures that does still exist.
[COLOR="rgb(139, 0, 0)"]Surely U R not speaking of cases like the roving bands of blacks assaulting white individuals in Philladelphia, or these knock-out games perpetrated on whites because of the color of their skin. Or even during the King riots the truck driver pulled out of his truck and beat and permanently maimed because of his skin color (WHITE)? There is racial hate EVERYWHERE but that card is way over played on southerners, and perpetuated by folks like you with your accusatory claim. I see much more hate perpetuated by blacks on whites and I see many whites (especially up North and out West) with white apologists attitudes ... which is un-American IMHO.[/color]
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Originally Posted by radiolibre99
Then there is the insistence that if you don't hunt, fish, or have ever went mudding then you're not a man. Which tells me that it's more of a prideful rite of passage in Texas for some than an actual love of the sport. Some just do it cus it distinguishes themselves from the modern man whom they believe has been emasculated. This makes for a fake friendly facade and what I call "humble arrogance" in some people.
"]I ain't questioning your manhood. Your last 2 statements above are interesting insights to your character. I hang out with outdoors types and have never heard any vocalizations to back up such claims (as yours) nor actions that would give your claims credence. I think that is a sickly attitude held by many who avoid or abhor these activities (hunting/fishing). On the other hand I do think the American male has become quite pussified but it has nothing to do with hunting and fishing.
I have hunted/fished for 55 years. It is not to prove myself and I think people that carry such a notion are a bit unbalanced. Oh, I prefer to drive around mud if possible.
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Originally Posted by radiolibre99
But still, no matter how overly traditional the people can be they will still give you the shirt off their backs. I miss being able to just randomly strike conversations with people and easily making new friends. CA isn't an outright rude place like the northeast but it's still not as friendly as the South.
I lived in Maine for a while. Didn't find the folks overtly rude ... just stand-offish! I consider the folks of Cali more pretentious than rude. Both character flaws IMO.
Im not sure if this questions were ask before, i want to know what is the advantages and disavantages in living in Texas?.(taxes,culture,housing,career) Im from San Francisco,conservatives, i like the scenery area and weather but taxes is too high (9.75%).
Nathan
Pros: conservatives in houston, cheaper cost of living, less government
Cons: traffic, rude immigrants (nigerians) and the weather can be too humid if u have asthma like me
I guess it could have been qualified with terms like "the new socialist Liberalism" or "Progressivism". It is the destructive sides of the Left which are at work destroying the US middle class, redistributing their wealth, at war with non destructive traditions ... this is the Libs of which I loathe and which I wrote of.
[COLOR="rgb(139, 0, 0)"]Surely U R not speaking of cases like the roving bands of blacks assaulting white individuals in Philladelphia, or these knock-out games perpetrated on whites because of the color of their skin. Or even during the King riots the truck driver pulled out of his truck and beat and permanently maimed because of his skin color (WHITE)? There is racial hate EVERYWHERE but that card is way over played on southerners, and perpetuated by folks like you with your accusatory claim. I see much more hate perpetuated by blacks on whites and I see many whites (especially up North and out West) with white apologists attitudes ... which is un-American IMHO.[/color]
"]I ain't questioning your manhood. Your last 2 statements above are interesting insights to your character. I hang out with outdoors types and have never heard any vocalizations to back up such claims (as yours) nor actions that would give your claims credence. I think that is a sickly attitude held by many who avoid or abhor these activities (hunting/fishing). On the other hand I do think the American male has become quite pussified but it has nothing to do with hunting and fishing.
I have hunted/fished for 55 years. It is not to prove myself and I think people that carry such a notion are a bit unbalanced. Oh, I prefer to drive around mud if possible.
I lived in Maine for a while. Didn't find the folks overtly rude ... just stand-offish! I consider the folks of Cali more pretentious than rude. Both character flaws IMO.
None of this stuff was directed at you personally Bob Tex. Just that I've seen this stuff growing up in Texas. And its not about just racial hatred because racism is everywhere but that in Texas people still have preconceived notions about certain races, cultures and genders. I know you'll probably disagree but there is a difference in interactions between the diverse people in California and Texas, especially the further you go out of the metro areas. Sorry but you can point to whatever instance of racial tensions elsewhere that still doesn't deny that Texas has a slightly bigger share of racism than a lot of other states.
And just because you never personally insulted anyone for not knowing how to fish or hunt it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I never said that Texans outright insult people but that some not all play up the hunting and fishing like its a pride thing. Its a way to distinguish themselves from modern man. They post the pics of their catches on FB or show off their new guns with captions reading "come and get it, Obama" or something like that. The same can be said about their spiritual faith sometimes.
I have nothing against those things though. I'm not much of a hunter, but I love fishing, hiking and snowboarding, so the outdoors is nothing new to me. It's just I never made it a pride thing like some have in Texas as though it were a rite of passage.
Well, good luck. Hope you find an out of state job very quickly and you and your family settle in elsewhere very happily! I mean that sincerely.
I didn't discover the charms of "the cowboy thing" till I was in my forties. All I can say is that I wasted a lot of time. I met and married the quintessential Texas gentleman when I was in my early forties and we have been enjoying each other tremendously ever since. He would tell YOU that I was the first woman he had dated who WASN'T a "cowgirl," so I guess the change was good for him too.
Funny story:
I met my husband on match.com. There was no indication in his profile that he had a lick of "cowboy" in him. His photo was of him in a button down shirt and a tie. He stated that he was an engineer. I didn't know that oil and gas engineers wore steel toed boots and hard hats.
We met for a very nice dinner after a couple of online exchanges and he showed up in a golf shirt and khakis. We had a BLAST that night - the best date of our lives in fact - and we agreed to get together and go shopping and just hang out a couple of Saturdays later.
He showed up in a big pickup truck at my house. He said, "I've got to buy some work boots - do you mind if we go to Cavenders?" (Cavenders is a western wear place.) I am NO COWGIRL and had probably never even been inside Cavenders before but I said, "Sure, why not?"
He bought some steel toed boots and an odd looking belt there (come to find out it was a cowboy sort of belt). Then we got back in his truck and I noticed that I smelled leather. I looked in the back seat and there was a SADDLE back there. Noted.
A few minutes later, he said, "Do you mind if we listen to my new CD?" I said, "Sure!" He put in George Strait. This was also a new experience for me.
After we had done some more toodling around, he said, "What are you in the mood to eat for lunch?" I said, "I am easy to please - you pick." Now - I was used to my dates choosing something like sushi, or Asian fusion or metro style Tex Mex. He said, "What about the Country Tavern for BBQ?" I said, "Why not?"
About that time, my adult daughter called and said, "Hey mom, what are you up to today?" I said, "Well, you won't believe this. I'm sitting in the cab of the biggest pick up I've ever been in. There's a saddle in the back seat. We just left Cavenders. We're listening to George Strait, and we're headed for the Country Tavern to eat ribs."
There was a long silence on the other end and then my daughter said in a low, somber voice (totally serious by the way), "Mom. Are you sure you want to do this?"
It was the start of a series of the best decisions I ever made in my life!
So...I made him a little less cowboy and he made me a little more. He introduced me to high school football (my kids were always in the drama and debate clubs, not into athletics), and I introduced him to London. He introduced me to BBQ and I introduced him to Korean cuisine. He introduced me to George Strait and I introduced him to Georg Frederick Handel. We're both living greatly enriched and enhanced lives now.
Great post. And you got the best of that deal. There is not beating Texas culture.
Great post. And you got the best of that deal. There is not beating Texas culture.
Well, he would tell you that HE got the best of the deal, but I agree that my life is greatly enriched by the Texas culture he introduced me to.
Actually we both complement each others' tastes and interests well. I like my Texas culture mixed with plenty of international and artsy flair. And Texas is so open to new influences and ideas - that's one thing I love about it. Guess it's not called Six Flags Over Texas for nothing!
It depends on where you are coming from, I suppose. I lived in SF for a few years and moved here from the west coast and I agree with the posters who have said the state (in general) is pretty ugly. You will not find the sort of cultural activities, variety of hobbies available etc as where you live now. Really, the only thing that got us here was a job and, yes, there's more money coming in than where we came from but our apt rent is NOT cheaper (buying a house is much cheaper). Basically, I'm bored to tears living here and we have been applying for jobs outside the state for months now trying to escape.
Personally, I feel that if you don't have to move here then don't. I know lots of Texans will disagree vehemently with me, but I can't yet figure out why Texans like it here so much.
It's mainly because it's not yet completely filled up with people like you.
Economics - jobs for many across the demographic spectrum, and well diversified (e.g. not just oil and cattle anymore)
Housing - very affordable (especially Texas large cities relative to US coastal cities )
Politics - tends to be economically libertarian, which helps make it attractive for business (e.g. lower regulations) and workers (e.g. lower overall taxes, tax base more localized vs centralized/pooled in Austin for distribution)
Critical Mass / Large Population Centers - brings many amenities and opportunities for family, career, business (e.g. good schools, universities, hospitals, museums, zoos, big name entertainment/sports, airport hubs, etc.).
Culture - strong family orientation, less "keeping up with the Jones'", self-reliance/responsibility, "Don't Mess With Texas!"
Weather - mild winter
Cons:
Esthetics - the things that many enjoy for natural beauty (e.g. mountain views, oceanfront property, other geographic features) are not necessarily inherent to where one lives, so significant travel may be required.
Culture - many of the pros come from it, but there are some less savory aspects of the "southern" culture that hold over. However, this is waning, with the influx of people. Hopefully, the good does not go out with the bad.
Another Pro for DFW is that the civil engineers did a good job (relative to many other US cities) of laying out the city for vehicle traffic. Not perfect by any means, but seems easier to get around in this city. IDK about other Texas cities.
Im not sure if this questions were ask before, i want to know what is the advantages and disavantages in living in Texas?.(taxes,culture,housing,career) Im from San Francisco,conservatives, i like the scenery area and weather but taxes is too high (9.75%).
Nathan
I rue the day I moved to Dallas from Los Angeles three years ago. Sure, I met my husband in Dallas, but if I had to do it all over again I'd rather be single in LA. The culture here is so soul crushing that I experienced an acute bout of depression that required me to take Zoloft for a few months and contemplate taking a kitchen knife to my arm on a weekly basis.. No matter how hard life was elsewhere, I've never felt so trapped.
Cons: awful weather, seasonal allergies. Deep-rooted racism and general xenophobia. Medical/dental care is lacking. The way the general public treat women and minorities is awful. I'd drive in LA rush hour every day if it meant I would never have to drive in Dallas again; the drivers here are some of the most self-absorbed, careless people. Crap educational system. Religious zealots on every corner - good luck running errands on Sunday mornings if your route takes you near a church. The local food is designed to make you fat. If you like cycling, kiss that goodbye because the drivers here will murder you. Dallas was ranked the worst city for cycling in the United States. People worship football here like it's a religion. The scenery here is ugly. Nothing but suburban sprawl for miles in every direction.
Pros: well, you can afford the McMansion that looks like every other McMansion on your street. Hopefully you can afford the electricity bills and propety tax too. The Argentine Tango crowd is stellar.
I rue the day I moved to Dallas from Los Angeles three years ago. Sure, I met my husband in Dallas, but if I had to do it all over again I'd rather be single in LA. The culture here is so soul crushing that I experienced an acute bout of depression that required me to take Zoloft for a few months and contemplate taking a kitchen knife to my arm on a weekly basis.. No matter how hard life was elsewhere, I've never felt so trapped.
Cons: awful weather, seasonal allergies. Deep-rooted racism and general xenophobia. Medical/dental care is lacking. The way the general public treat women and minorities is awful. I'd drive in LA rush hour every day if it meant I would never have to drive in Dallas again; the drivers here are some of the most self-absorbed, careless people. Crap educational system. Religious zealots on every corner - good luck running errands on Sunday mornings if your route takes you near a church. The local food is designed to make you fat. If you like cycling, kiss that goodbye because the drivers here will murder you. Dallas was ranked the worst city for cycling in the United States. People worship football here like it's a religion. The scenery here is ugly. Nothing but suburban sprawl for miles in every direction.
Pros: well, you can afford the McMansion that looks like every other McMansion on your street. Hopefully you can afford the electricity bills and propety tax too. The Argentine Tango crowd is stellar.
Remind me to leave the room when you and BobTex are in there together.
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