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I think one difference is that those cities are more isolated away from other urban centers, so they have a much larger sphere of influence than Tyler which has Dallas just two hours away and several other similarly sized urban areas two hours in the other direction.
I do know Tyler/Longview offer a lot, but for me both feel more like large towns than small cities. The main reason is the extremely low density sprawl that's pretty common for all of East Texas really.
As far as character goes, Marshall and Jefferson are the historical pillars of Northeast Texas and their proximity to Caddo Lake makes that area the most charming, imo.
Thank you for understanding exactly what I mean
When driving through Nacogdoches and Lufkin you have enough time to know where your at.
They are not hit or miss places and now construction on I-69 coming through the cities actually make them look larger then Tyler or Longview if you want know the truth.Every week the local papers are showing know business wanting or coming to this area.Tyler may run Northeast Texas but south from Rusk,Henderson and carthage it's all Nac and Lufkin baby and trust me if something missing out of the area like Dave and busters which no city in etx have most go to Houston.
The plans on the southend of Nac or similar of some of the interchanges in Houston.The one in North Lufkin that is all most done with 4 mains lanes to be complete from n.timberland to Aktionson dr. with three lanes of frontage road meeting up with the major overpass.
All I have to say is if you haven't been here in this growing area in two month's you have miss alot and the Northside interchange in Lufkin when complete with again 4 mainlanes and 3 lanes of frontage road make coming in to Tyler a back wood town with a macys lol lmao!
Tyler and Longview are definitely metro areas as defined by the U.S. census. In other states Tyler, and even Longview would be considered among the larger cities in the state. I know if places like Roanoke, Lynchburg, VA or Springfield, Missouri can be considered metros in their regions, Tyler and Longview definitely would be.
To your point I've looked this up over the years:
Tyler is considered not large to us in Texas because of all the cities of large or larger metros
Same for California, Florida, New York and other states
According census figures for July 1 ,2014 latest figures, next will be out in May for July 1, 2015 estimates
Tyler is 1st in Population in:
Delaware
Maine
Vermont
Wyoming
Tyler is 2nd in Population in:
Alaska
Arkansas
Hawaii
Idaho
Maryland
Mississippi
Montana (close here)
New Mexico
North Dakota (close here)
Rhode Island
South Dakota
Tyler is 3rd in Population in:
Indiana
Kentucky
Nebraska
New Hampshire
Almost 20 states:
Just shows all our discussion in a different persective, as Solitare pointed out in his post.
I hate to point out where Nacogdoches would rank. For those that biggest counts the most. Just saying, of course this does not make Tyler better, more desirable or the bestest, with the mostest, or anything else, lol
I think one difference is that those cities are more isolated away from other urban centers, so they have a much larger sphere of influence than Tyler which has Dallas just two hours away and several other similarly sized urban areas two hours in the other direction.
I do know Tyler/Longview offer a lot, but for me both feel more like large towns than small cities. The main reason is the extremely low density sprawl that's pretty common for all of East Texas really.
As far as character goes, Marshall and Jefferson are the historical pillars of Northeast Texas and their proximity to Caddo Lake makes that area the most charming, imo.
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I'm aware of that fact, but is Tyler more like other metro areas such as Chicago or Miami, or is it more like Nacogdoches? You get my drift.
Nobodies comparing Tyler or Longview to Chicago or Miami but Tyler and Longview are both well respected small metro areas in they're own right. Tyler and Longview both have influences that are well within East Texas and other areas that can reach a little beyond a 20 mile radius outside of ETX. It doesn't matter if it doesn't feel like like a "true" metro area the U.S. census designated both areas as metro areas. And they're definitely small cities by definition. I would consider Nac to be a large town. I would compare Tyler or Longview more so in the likes of a Beamount, Midland,Odessa,Waco,Killeen,etc. And I do realize those cities are bigger Tyler and Longview but they operate more identical to those cities then Nac or Lufkin. Just from my experiences.
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Thank you for understanding exactly what I mean
When driving through Nacogdoches and Lufkin you have enough time to know where your at.
They are not hit or miss places and now construction on I-69 coming through the cities actually make them look larger then Tyler or Longview if you want know the truth.Every week the local papers are showing know business wanting or coming to this area.Tyler may run Northeast Texas but south from Rusk,Henderson and carthage it's all Nac and Lufkin baby and trust me if something missing out of the area like Dave and busters which no city in etx have most go to Houston.
The plans on the southend of Nac or similar of some of the interchanges in Houston.The one in North Lufkin that is all most done with 4 mains lanes to be complete from n.timberland to Aktionson dr. with three lanes of frontage road meeting up with the major overpass.
All I have to say is if you haven't been here in this growing area in two month's you have miss alot and the Northside interchange in Lufkin when complete with again 4 mainlanes and 3 lanes of frontage road make coming in to Tyler a back wood town with a macys lol lmao!
People from Henderson and Carthage are going to Longview way more then Nac. If your in Center,Diboll, or Garrison along those lines then yeah you're going to Lufkin and Nac more then any city in Northeast Texas.
And nobody in they're right mind would think either of those cities feel larger then Tyler or Longview.
Nobodies comparing Tyler or Longview to Chicago or Miami but Tyler and Longview are both well respected small metro areas in they're own right. Tyler and Longview both have influences that are well within East Texas and other areas that can reach a little beyond a 20 mile radius outside of ETX. It doesn't matter if it doesn't feel like like a "true" metro area the U.S. census designated both areas as metro areas.
Right, and I wasn't saying otherwise
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And they're definitely small cities by definition. I would consider Nac to be a large town. I would compare Tyler or Longview more so in the likes of a Beamount, Midland,Odessa,Waco,Killeen,etc. And I do realize those cities are bigger Tyler and Longview but they operate more identical to those cities then Nac or Lufkin. Just from my experiences.
Well, there is no universally agreed upon threshold defining the difference between a town and a city, which is why I kept saying it was a matter of perspective. In my book, the smallest city in Texas would be Corpus. Anything smaller than that is a town.
Nobodies comparing Tyler or Longview to Chicago or Miami but Tyler and Longview are both well respected small metro areas in they're own right. Tyler and Longview both have influences that are well within East Texas and other areas that can reach a little beyond a 20 mile radius outside of ETX. It doesn't matter if it doesn't feel like like a "true" metro area the U.S. census designated both areas as metro areas. And they're definitely small cities by definition. I would consider Nac to be a large town. I would compare Tyler or Longview more so in the likes of a Beamount, Midland,Odessa,Waco,Killeen,etc. And I do realize those cities are bigger Tyler and Longview but they operate more identical to those cities then Nac or Lufkin. Just from my experiences.
People from Henderson and Carthage are going to Longview way more then Nac. If your in Center,Diboll, or Garrison along those lines then yeah you're going to Lufkin and Nac more then any city in Northeast Texas.
And nobody in they're right mind would think either of those cities feel larger then Tyler or Longview.
Well each city I name have a direct connect to N*A*C and if you want believe they come here well lmao.
Nacogdoches is the ONLY city in East Texas with a major University Stephen F.Austin.
That is a enough.......................:shock ed::s hocked:
Sam Houston State University (known as SHSU or Sam) was founded in 1879 and is the third oldest public institution of higher learning in the State of Texas. It is located approximately one hour north of downtownHouston in the hills, lakes, and forests region of East Texas in Huntsville. It is one of the oldest purpose-built institutions for the instruction of teachers west of the Mississippi River and the first such institution of its type in Texas. The school is named for Sam Houston, who made his home in the city and is buried there.
SHSU is a member of the Texas State University System and has an enrollment of more than 18,400 students across over 80 undergraduate, 54 masters', and 6 doctoral degree programs. The university also offers more than 20 online bachelor's and graduate degrees, and its online programs are ranked high by U.S. News & World Report[citation needed]. It was the first institution classified as a Doctoral Research University by the Carnegie Commission on Higher Education within the Texas State University System,[3] and while education continues to be the most popular major among students at the university, SHSU has nationally recognized programs in banking, performing arts, mathematics and criminal justice.
Larger than Stephen F. Austin Enrollment of 13,000 and is Officially Considered to be in East Texas
Stephen F.Austin is the only major University in East Texas and you really know that but can't accept the fact that it is Nacogdoches.Huntsville is southeast Texas and not Deep East Texas or Northeast Texas lol.
It is pretty sad that to bash a city that is the oldest city in Texas and has the only major Univ. in Etx and on top of that the best hills a city can offer in East Texas.I like your two lane toll road in Tyler it has a 3 or 4 cars traveling it but it is nothing like beltway 8 in Houston.
Sam Houston State University (known as SHSU or Sam) was founded in 1879 and is the third oldest public institution of higher learning in the State of Texas. It is located approximately one hour north of downtownHouston in the hills, lakes, and forests region of East Texas in Huntsville. It is one of the oldest purpose-built institutions for the instruction of teachers west of the Mississippi River and the first such institution of its type in Texas. The school is named for Sam Houston, who made his home in the city and is buried there.
SHSU is a member of the Texas State University System and has an enrollment of more than 18,400 students across over 80 undergraduate, 54 masters', and 6 doctoral degree programs. The university also offers more than 20 online bachelor's and graduate degrees, and its online programs are ranked high by U.S. News & World Report[citation needed]. It was the first institution classified as a Doctoral Research University by the Carnegie Commission on Higher Education within the Texas State University System,[3] and while education continues to be the most popular major among students at the university, SHSU has nationally recognized programs in banking, performing arts, mathematics and criminal justice.
Larger than Stephen F. Austin Enrollment of 13,000 and is Officially Considered to be in East Texas
Larger and not to mention: a much better football team.
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