Houston has massive potential (Dallas, Fort Worth: living, zip codes, estimate)

[stoneclaw]

Dallas has things that are done better than Houston and vice-versa. Dallas is more clustered and has more things close together, although Houston is finally beginning to catch on to that concept. Houston is more diverse and has that funky vibe which to me makes it seem more eclectic and interesting, while Dallas is more fancy in its designs and buildings.


Basically Dallas and Houston have pretty much all the same things, its just a matter of which one has more of in one category than the other.


I do agree with many that this thread could've done without bashing Dallas. This thread should have been about Houston's potential.

[ParaguaneroSwag]

Originally Posted by stoneclaw

Dallas has things that are done better than Houston and vice-versa. Dallas is more clustered and has more things close together, although Houston is finally beginning to catch on to that concept. Houston is more diverse and has that funky vibe which to me makes it seem more eclectic and interesting, while Dallas is more fancy in its designs and buildings.


Basically Dallas and Houston have pretty much all the same things, its just a matter of which one has more of in one category than the other.


I do agree with many that this thread could've done without bashing Dallas. This thread should have been about Houston's potential.

I agree with everything except calling Dallas clustered compared to Houston. Especially So many DFW attractions are in Alrington

[Treasurevalley92]

Originally Posted by ParaguaneroSwag

I agree with everything except calling Dallas clustered compared to Houston. Especially So many DFW attractions are in Alrington

The only attraction in Arlington that would be better off in Dallas is the Ballpark.

[DTXman34]

Originally Posted by ParaguaneroSwag

I agree with everything except calling Dallas clustered compared to Houston. Especially So many DFW attractions are in Alrington

With the exception of a few attractions, the average Dallas neighborhood is more cohesive, clustered, and pedestrian oriented than the avg. Houston one -- bars, restaurants, shops, pharmacies, grocery stores, etc. Neither are great for walkability but urban form definitely leans in Dallas's favor.

[ParaguaneroSwag]

Originally Posted by DTXman34

With the exception of a few attractions, the average Dallas neighborhood is more cohesive, clustered, and pedestrian oriented than the avg. Houston one -- bars, restaurants, shops, pharmacies, grocery stores, etc. Neither are great for walkability but urban form definitely leans in Dallas's favor.

1. You must not have read what the post was replying to. The post that was replying to was one that stated that in DFW the attractions are closer together while in Houston they’re spread out. This is ridiculous while a lot of the biggest DFW area attractions are in Arlington and are continuing to be built in Arlington. Not that this is a bad thing but it was a false statement.

2. You can say this all day and it still isn’t true. Dallas is not more denser or more urban than Houston. Houston is twice the size of Dallas while being denser. And in Houston, developments that favor high density are continually being built. In Dallas, these kind of developments are also being seen. Whoever claims either city is lacking these kinds of developments hasn’t been to both cities enough. Despite Dallas not being a premier bar city, there area areas with high densities of bars and clubs. These also exist in Houston and these are growing in both. The one thing that is true, however is that this is a newer trend for Houston than it is for Dallas.

Where Dallas clearly leads Houston is urban planning and zoning. The problem is that these don’t mean somewhere is more urban than the other nor does it relate to it. It simply means it’s more organized as a whole city.

[Soonhun]

Originally Posted by ParaguaneroSwag

1. You must not have read what the post was replying to. The post that was replying to was one that stated that in DFW the attractions are closer together while in Houston they’re spread out. This is ridiculous while a lot of the biggest DFW area attractions are in Arlington and are continuing to be built in Arlington. Not that this is a bad thing but it was a false statement.

2. You can say this all day and it still isn’t true. Dallas is not more denser or more urban than Houston. Houston is twice the size of Dallas while being denser. And in Houston, developments that favor high density are continually being built. In Dallas, these kind of developments are also being seen. Whoever claims either city is lacking these kinds of developments hasn’t been to both cities enough. Despite Dallas not being a premier bar city, there area areas with high densities of bars and clubs. These also exist in Houston and these are growing in both. The one thing that is true, however is that this is a newer trend for Houston than it is for Dallas.

Where Dallas clearly leads Houston is urban planning and zoning. The problem is that these don’t mean somewhere is more urban than the other nor does it relate to it. It simply means it’s more organized as a whole city.

Um, I agree that Dallas is less centralized but numbers show that Dallas is denser than Houston

[ParaguaneroSwag]

Originally Posted by Parhe

Um, I agree that Dallas is less centralized but numbers show that Dallas is denser than Houston

Using the 2016 estimate of population, Dallas density comes out to about 3,800 people per square mile. Houston comes out to about 3,700 people per square mile. Houston is almost twice the population of Dallas. To be almost twice the population and about the same density number wise, shows a denser and larger urban core.

Now to say it’s a lot denser isn’t true because they aren’t all that denser, but that proves against it.

[DTXman34]

Originally Posted by ParaguaneroSwag

Using the 2016 estimate of population, Dallas density comes out to about 3,800 people per square mile. Houston comes out to about 3,700 people per square mile. Houston is almost twice the population of Dallas. To be almost twice the population and about the same density number wise, shows a denser and larger urban core.

Now to say it’s a lot denser isn’t true because they aren’t all that denser, but that proves against it.

You're forgetting the difference in sq mileage between the 2 cities:

*Houston = 600 sq miles (3,700 per sq mile)
*Dallas = 385 sq miles (3,800 per sq mile)

It doesn't prove or even disprove that Houston has a denser urban core. You would have to compare the actual urban cores themselves. Houston does appear to maintain a more consistent density throughout its vast city limits than Dallas does, but greater Downtown/Uptown Dallas does feel more populated than Houston's equivalent.

[SouthernBoy205]

Don't forget to subtract the reservoirs from Houston's numbers.

[ParaguaneroSwag]

Originally Posted by DTXman34

You're forgetting the difference in sq mileage between the 2 cities:

*Houston = 600 sq miles (3,700 per sq mile)
*Dallas = 385 sq miles (3,800 per sq mile)

It doesn't prove or even disprove that Houston has a denser urban core. You would have to compare the actual urban cores themselves. Houston does appear to maintain a more consistent density throughout its vast city limits than Dallas does, but greater Downtown/Uptown Dallas does feel more populated than Houston's equivalent.

No I didn’t forget the square mileage difference. Houston has the population difference to go with it as well. Anyway, what you stated there is what I was getting at in the first place. About when you leave the central business districts, the density is more consistent throughout the city.

But about just Downtown Dallas feeling more populated, in the last estimate, Downtown Dallas had 6k and Houston’s downtown had 10K. In my opinion, neither official Downtown is all that populated.

But where I see the difference is that the neighborhoods surrounding Downtown Houston, a lot still feel like you’re in downtown Houston and are very residential. Midtown and EaDo for example. EaDo’s residential scene may be newer but fast growing. Micro studio apartments going up. Dallas has heir residential neighborhoods around Dallas also, though.