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Old 10-31-2018, 02:35 PM
 
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The truth is that Houston is the least physically attractive city of any size in Texas.
The truth is that your statement isn't truth, but is merely opinion. A nonsensical one at that, quite frankly.

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Yes, of course there are some very beautiful neighborhoods in Houston, and yeah there is alot of green, but over all it isn't very attractive city.

Can you take cool and interesting photos there? Yes, of course. Are there some cool and interesting views to be had? Yes, of course. Just like an insta moddel though, it's all about the angles, most of Houston, most of the time is not particularly pretty.
You realize that you've said nothing that is particular to Houston here, right?

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And you guys are right up there with Dallas for terrible weather, one of only a couple that has a worse summer than we do.
Eh, not really.

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That doesn't mean I don't like Houston, I actually really like Houston. It's so fugly and jumbled, I see a type of beauty in the disorder.

Houston is big, ugly, sticky and dynamic. I mean that in the best way possible.

Dallas isn't free of it's own industrial areas either and isn't a pretty metro either, so it's basically a case of the pot calling the kettle black.
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Old 10-31-2018, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Honestly most folks in Houston would have been surprised if Amazon had put us in their top 20. Generally we felt it was a long shot. The big factor is our tech labor market - ours just isn't a freewheeling one like you have in DFW and Austin. It's very much embedded in the O&G and health care sectors, and Amazon would have a really hard time competing with them for employees (especially given Amazon's not-so-great reputation for working conditions). So for us it very much highlighted that, for all the talk of economic diversification since the 1980s (and there truly has been at least a bit of it), we're still basically an O&G and health care town. At least we're the world capital of the former and a hugely important center of the latter (and there's a concerted effort to further grow and transform our role in the latter as well).
Don't forget the Harvey impact on Amazon's selection... truth is nobody knows exactly why Houston wasn't selected but all those images of flooding could not have helped.

In the end only one city will be selected and hopefully they will not give up too many concessions to Amazon.
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Old 10-31-2018, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Honestly most folks in Houston would have been surprised if Amazon had put us in their top 20. Generally we felt it was a long shot. The big factor is our tech labor market - ours just isn't a freewheeling one like you have in DFW and Austin. It's very much embedded in the O&G and health care sectors, and Amazon would have a really hard time competing with them for employees (especially given Amazon's not-so-great reputation for working conditions). So for us it very much highlighted that, for all the talk of economic diversification since the 1980s (and there truly has been at least a bit of it), we're still basically an O&G and health care town. At least we're the world capital of the former and a hugely important center of the latter (and there's a concerted effort to further grow and transform our role in the latter as well).
Yeah, Houston isnt a tech city. Never has been and I doubt it ever will be. It would have been nice for us to pull off something like that because it would have diversified our economy, but I can see why Dallas and Austin would be better fits for them.

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Eh, not really.
In my opinion, the summers are objectively worse in Houston. Daytime in summer is horrible in both. But in Dallas, we used to spend a lot of time outdoors during the summer nights. In Houston, the summer nights are just as unpleasant as the day time. The summer nights in Dallas can be pleasant if a bit hot.
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Old 10-31-2018, 04:37 PM
 
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In my opinion, the summers are objectively worse in Houston. Daytime in summer is horrible in both. But in Dallas, we used to spend a lot of time outdoors during the summer nights. In Houston, the summer nights are just as unpleasant as the day time. The summer nights in Dallas can be pleasant if a bit hot.
On the other hand, Houston has better chance for big clouds/sea-breeze/storms that provide relief from the hot sun. And ironically, average nighttime lows in July and August (two worst summer months) are actually warmer in Dallas than in Houston.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climat...d_temperatures
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climat...al_observation
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Old 10-31-2018, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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On the other hand, Houston has better chance for big clouds/sea-breeze/storms that provide relief from the hot sun. And ironically, average nighttime lows in July and August (two worst summer months) are actually warmer in Dallas than in Houston.
In four years here, Ive never felt anything I would call a sea breeze in Houston. In Galveston yes, Houston no. Yes, the temperatures are technically warmer in Dallas, but its certainly a good deal less humid. It is more cloudy in Houston in summer time but that doesnt help with the humidity or heat index at all.
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Old 10-31-2018, 04:57 PM
 
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In my opinion, the summers are objectively worse in Houston. Daytime in summer is horrible in both. But in Dallas, we used to spend a lot of time outdoors during the summer nights. In Houston, the summer nights are just as unpleasant as the day time. The summer nights in Dallas can be pleasant if a bit hot.
The fact that the nights in Houston are so disgusting for about 3 months out of the year is one of the worst features of Houston's weather.
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Old 10-31-2018, 06:50 PM
 
Location: "The Dirty Irv" Irving, TX
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On the other hand, Houston has better chance for big clouds/sea-breeze/storms that provide relief from the hot sun. And ironically, average nighttime lows in July and August (two worst summer months) are actually warmer in Dallas than in Houston.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climat...d_temperatures
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climat...al_observation
Dallas is humid, for hot hot it gets, but Houston is a good bit more humid, so on the heat index, it feels even hotter.
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Old 10-31-2018, 06:52 PM
 
Location: "The Dirty Irv" Irving, TX
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In four years here, Ive never felt anything I would call a sea breeze in Houston. In Galveston yes, Houston no. Yes, the temperatures are technically warmer in Dallas, but its certainly a good deal less humid. It is more cloudy in Houston in summer time but that doesnt help with the humidity or heat index at all.
I would agree, the times ive been in Houston I've never felt anything like a sea breeze, and yes, it has worse summer nights than Dallas, though Dallas summer nights are pretty bad too alot of the time. It's not uncommon for it to be in the mid to upper 90s at midnight.
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Old 10-31-2018, 07:34 PM
 
Location: "The Dirty Irv" Irving, TX
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The truth is that your statement isn't truth, but is merely opinion. A nonsensical one at that, quite frankly.
It's an opinion, but a widely held one. Beauty is pretty subjective, but when a majority hold an opinion it means something.

The particulars would be: The flatness, sprawl, the massive parking lots and frontage roads, with pavement all along them, run down buildings mixed in throughout the city rather then relegated to run down areas. Oh and on top of that the ditches along roads which look trashy and often have trash in them.

Basically Houston takes very little advantage of the natural beauty it does have which isn't "Striking" to begin with. A place like Phoenix can get away with pretty uninspiring architecture and still have a beautiful mountain backdrop, but Houston's attractive natural quality (which is basically just the green) needs to be tended and structured and for the most part, is not.

And yes, I've been to the parks yall, have, they are very nice!

For the record, Id be the first to say Dallas isn't a whole lot better, it it a little hillyer and a little less green, but all in all isn't that pretty either.

But yeah, you might not believe it, but I can hold all the above opinions and still really like Houston and enjoy visiting fairly frequently.
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Old 10-31-2018, 07:50 PM
 
Location: "The Dirty Irv" Irving, TX
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Don't forget the Harvey impact on Amazon's selection... truth is nobody knows exactly why Houston wasn't selected but all those images of flooding could not have helped.

In the end only one city will be selected and hopefully they will not give up too many concessions to Amazon.
Sure, and I honestly hope that Dallas doesn't get the bid. If it comes to Texas, Austin is welcome to that mess.

Still, Houston just because of it's shear size has more tech jobs than some of the other top 20 picks and being the only top 10 metro left off the list says something, even if no one expected them to win. At least 10 of the cities still on the list don't really have a shot either.
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