Tesla possibly coming to Houston (Dallas, Austin: tech jobs, to move, oil)

[ParaguaneroSwag]

Originally Posted by As Above So Below...

Name one from Northern California that has moved to Houston.

Bill.com, a few months ago.

[ParaguaneroSwag]

Originally Posted by 35KFT

Where did you get that information? Even common sense would, hopefully, disprove your statement.

2018 Real GDP in thousands, sourced from the U. S. Department of Commerce:

Los Angeles, 1,047,661.
San Francisco, 548,613.

When we say the Bay Area, we include San Jose and Palo Alto. Palo Alto is closer to San Francisco than Fort Worth is to Dallas. Also more easily connected by far. If you include the entire Bay Area and not just the San Francisco division, it comes out to 1.03 trillion. Not far behind LA’s 1.05. And if you want to be fair and include Riverside for LA, theirs comes up to 1.2 trillion.

So yes, it does wind up being close.

[NigerianNightmare]

Originally Posted by 35KFT

Where did you get that information? Even common sense would, hopefully, disprove your statement.

2018 Real GDP in thousands, sourced from the U. S. Department of Commerce:

Los Angeles, 1,047,661.
San Francisco, 548,613.

He's talking about the "Bay Area" which is LA vs. San Francisco+San Jose (and in some cases people add smaller metros in the periphery like Vallejo/Solano+Napa Valley+Sonoma MSAs, while kicking out San Benito County.
SF+SJ= 879,600 thousands of dollars. (San Benitio at 55,000 people has negligible GDP)
SF+SJ+3 North Bay Counties- 949.3 SB has 2.8 billion $. So 946.5 Billion Dollars for the "Bay Area", which is very comparable.

The reason why the Bay Area is split into at least 5 metros, is because it's a bay and because it's filled with mountainous valley's both act as artificial boundaries to areas clearly influenced heavily by each other, combine this with the often massive sizes of California Counties SF/SJ which are connected at the hip, is likely going to become a joined MSA. L.A also has Oxnard and Inland Empire on it's periphery as it suffers from the same thing as SF (not to mention SD to the south) just to a much smaller degree.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Bay_Area or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jo...atistical_Area

[NigerianNightmare]

On the NorCal companies not looking anywhere but Austin I have to agree. Dallas and Houston are massive cities, while Dallas get's looks, Dallas is undeniably the 4th biggest MSA in the U.S, and will likely become the 4th biggest CSA in the U.S by 2030-2040 as it's growing faster than all the above CSA's (currently 7th), it shouldn't be competing with a city like Austin and losing which is significantly smaller. Houston, as a Houstonian shouldn't even be on the list, most "tech" people I know here work in Oil/with Oil companies not even the same sphere, i'm not in the office so I don't know whether the majority of Houstonians in that field could easily pivot towards "tech" companies (I use "tech" because it's an ambiguous term when talking companies and will continue to be, although most people can name tech companies the border areas are very iffy imo.)

In HS's in Texas the mentality is still- The "best talent" goes to California/Ivies/Rice and the next group goes to the SMUs/UTs/Georgia Tech/Out-of-State schools, A and M is half a step down (As a UT student I couldn't resist), U of H in the Houston area leads the pack, then everyone else. The fact that the Valedictorians at my High school since I was in 9th Grade till my 3rd Year of college (This Year) either went out-of-state or "settled" for UT speaks volumes.

I'm no Tech expert, but from what I see and hear Houston/Dallas/Austin combined probably don't have the talent to match the Bay Area in tech (SMU+UT+Rice) vs. (Stanford+Berkeley which are normally ranked 1-3 with MIT in most tech related fields).

Just on Unicorns- Bay Area has like 100+ While I don't even think Texas has 5.


I would also love for the Border area to get some love, but Tech in the U.S is massively slanted for a reason and the only way I can see Texas, even catching up marginally is if some sub-technology takes of in Texas over the next few decades (Like for example "Technology based on Space" moves to Texas for whatever reason/reasons). Right now Texas and the vast majority of America if not the world is playing 2nd fiddle to the Bay Area, literally ever countries "Silicon _" is still miles behind SF in most cases especially when talking per-capita.

[DabOnEm]

Originally Posted by NigerianNightmare

On the NorCal companies not looking anywhere but Austin I have to agree. Dallas and Houston are massive cities, while Dallas get's looks, Dallas is undeniably the 4th biggest MSA in the U.S, and will likely become the 4th biggest CSA in the U.S by 2030-2040 as it's growing faster than all the above CSA's (currently 7th), it shouldn't be competing with a city like Austin and losing which is significantly smaller. Houston, as a Houstonian shouldn't even be on the list, most "tech" people I know here work in Oil/with Oil companies not even the same sphere, i'm not in the office so I don't know whether the majority of Houstonians in that field could easily pivot towards "tech" companies (I use "tech" because it's an ambiguous term when talking companies and will continue to be, although most people can name tech companies the border areas are very iffy imo.)

Houston/Dallas/Austin combined probably don't have the talent to match the Bay Area in tech (SMU+UT+Rice) vs. (Stanford+Berkeley which are normally ranked 1-3 with MIT in most tech related fields)

Originally Posted by As Above So Below...

Who didn’t see that coming? Besides everyone I mean.

Here’s the deal: in Northern California (and ESPECIALLY the Bay Area), Austin is viewed as the only place in Texas that’s worth a crap. No Bay Area company will ever choose Houston for anything.

We're talking about the truck factory though. I wouldn't consider Buffalo a tech giant yet they have a Tesla factory. Plus the other city in the running is Tulsa.

[SanJac]

Originally Posted by DabOnEm

We're talking about the truck factory though. I wouldn't consider Buffalo a tech giant yet they have a Tesla factory. Plus the other city in the running is Tulsa.

And the other gigs-factory is in Reno, Nevada.

[NigerianNightmare]

Originally Posted by DabOnEm

We're talking about the truck factory though. I wouldn't consider Buffalo a tech giant yet they have a Tesla factory. Plus the other city in the running is Tulsa.

I understand that in this case it doesn't matter, but I was talking more in general. That the person that said Tech companies only look to Austin was 100% correct.

More like Austin some space then Dallas and then a cavern then Houston and SA and the Border/Smaller cities aren't even in question, hell Houston barely is.

[ParaguaneroSwag]

I definitely don’t disagree about tech giants always choosing Austin to expand in. In fact, I religiously spoke about this in the other forum. The difference here is we are talking about a corporate HQ. Austin is not a corporate magnet even for tech companies. Austin is far behind Houston and DFW in corporate centers. Tesla’s Austin giga factory for example isn’t anything close to a corporate campus. What this thread was originally about is Tesla announcing to move their headquarters to Texas, which this factory isn’t.

Austin serves as the tech satellite city for all of the tech giants like Google, Apple, Amazon etc. Not Houston and not Dallas. No where near. Google and Apple recently spent millions on their buildings and lab facilities. But this in no way shape or form defines a corporate headquarters.

The other thing is someone mentioned NorCal companies never expand in Houston, this isn’t true. There has been a handful of NorCal companies that have expanded tech centers in Houston relatively recently. As well as DFW. Clearly not to the level of Austin no doubt. But to zero it out is simply false.

[DPatel304]

Originally Posted by NigerianNightmare

That the person that said Tech companies only look to Austin was 100% correct.

Uber is a tech company, no?

[ParaguaneroSwag]

Originally Posted by DPatel304

Uber is a tech company, no?

In the middle. It's not a company that discovers new technology like Apple, Google and Microsoft, but it's a company that applies already available technology.