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Old 01-27-2007, 11:46 AM
 
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Re. Longview and Rednecks -
Yes, indeed, there are 'Rednecks' out here in the Piney Woods of East Texas, and God Bless 'Em!
I don't think I could be considered as such, but 'my neck tends to that coloration just a bit, maybe'?
I'm not from here; I started out life as a mid-westerner, from the heartland of America (Illinois) - a 'damnyankee', if you will - and moved to Texas when I was 10 years old. I spent 30 years, on-and-off, on the South Texas coast (only a few Rednecks there), and then 17 years in West Texas, where there exists a 'type' of Redneck that is 'different' from the East Texas (or, South Texas) variety of Redneck.
I have met them, and, because I deal with people in the Oilfield, I work with them, and I like them!
They do tend to be from the lower to middle class, that is true. There are some Rednecks in the upper class, but they will try to 'hide' that heritage and be something they really aren't.
Rednecks are basically 'country types'; you're correct in that.
As to them being racist... well, maybe so, a bit.
But, then, look at the attitudes of many of those who aren't White, Anglo-Saxon Protestants, and you will find racism there, too!
And, I am convinced that we have LESS racism here in the South than exists in the North!
I constantly see people who could be labelled as Rednecks working and associating very well with co-workers and neighbors who are non-white.
We here in the South get a totally bad rap on this issue; the legacy of the Confederacy and the slave culture.
The Longview area is culturally diverse and is, by far and away, the most beautiful place I have ever lived or seen! This place is very, very different from California: I've been there, and I don't care for that place.
East Texas has some similarity to Northern California, except that it's much much more affordable and, generally, laid-back.
Longview has a vibrant and rapidly expanding economy (and, no, I don't work for the Chamber of Commerce, nor will they pay me for these positive comments!). In fact, it's expanding so much that I may not like the place in 5-10 years because it may be too 'crowded' for me!
I work for a state agency that oversees the safety of petroleum pipelines, and I've been out here, now, for almost three years, and I wish I'd been able to come out here sooner!
The climate is great out here (except that it does get just a 'tad' warm and humid in the Summer!), and the scenery is beautiful: lots and lots of trees, flowers, lakes, and a few low hills. The 'country' is within 10 minutes driving time from the middle of Longview.
I think you would find people just about anywhere who would have the 'you don't belong here' mentality, but I don't believe you would find that here, certainly not as a 'prevailing' attitude.
I think you should listen to your friend's encouragement and give some serious consideration to coming out here.
I believe you would be welcomed!
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Old 02-26-2007, 09:05 PM
 
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Default Moving to Longview

I am a Canadian girl, about to marry a Texan boy who is originally from Longview. We are planning on making the move at the beginning of April and it was really good to read everyones words of wisdom! I am looking forward to the new adventure!

Carolyn
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Old 02-27-2007, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Flint, TX
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I'm not sure but is the original poster a Maori? I wasn't sure if the use of some phrases by her was to indicate that she was. If she's still reading this thread perhaps she can clarify this for me.

On the possiblity that she may be and in light of mention of racism I think some perspective might be in order.

It would be naive to say that racism doesn't exist in Texas. While it is true that there is racism everywhere in America it would be disingenuous to suggest that Texas or any place in the south is no worse than any other place in this country.

The truth is that racism is deeply ingrained in this area, so much so that many don't even realize it.

In Tyler, just a stones throw from Longview, the big social event of the year is the Rose Festival. Every institution of public and private life centers around it. It is the subject of endless newspaper and TV coverage. In the history of the event, from its beginning to the present day, not one single person of color has ever been involved except as a spectator. Of the inumerable Rose Queens, Rose duchesses, Rose ladies in waiting, Rose escorts, etc etc there has never once been anyone who is not lily white. It is meant to display the social, cultural, intellectual and economic elite and is presented as such. But in a city with many eminent non-white doctors, lawyers, businessmen, educators, and churchmen, no one has ever seen fit to invite a single one of them to participate. Not one, not ever, not at any level or for any purpose.

An organization whose most prominent leaders are a grocer and a used car salesman, apparently regard all such non-whites as unworthy of mingling socially with them.

Does anyone want to seriously suggest that this is not an example of racism?

Every year while the Black community celebrates Dr. Martin Luther King Day, the white leaderhsip of Tyler is busy celebrating "Heros of the Confederacy" Day (an official holiday in Texas). When someone had the temerity to ask the Mayor why he wasn't at the MLK festivites he pointedly said "THEY have THEIR holiday and WE have OURS."

Does anyone want to seriously suggest that this is not an example of racism?

There are an almost endless list of such facts that can be cited.

None of this is to say that non-whites should stay away or be afraid for their safety but it would be deceptive to pretend that these problems don't exist.
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Old 08-30-2007, 09:23 AM
 
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When my husband and I moved to the area, the KKK was making one of it's regularly scheduled visits to Tyler. As a citizen of Longview by choice, I have witnessed on many occasions more racism in the Tyler than in Longview. Also, I had a family member life flighted to a Tyler hospital 10 years ago and was in a rush to get to the hospital there. I threw on my husband's jeans and a t-shirt. When I was walking into the hospital a car full of human life forms pulled up and rolled down the window and said, "Get out of the way you Lesbian". Need I say more! I wouldn't be part of that city if I was paid to be! Racism is more than a black-white issue. It happens between the sexes, within races, genders, etc.
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Old 08-30-2007, 12:58 PM
 
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I went to the homepage and there is a black man as a cop High Performing Organization Employees (http://www.ci.longview.tx.us/news/high_performing_organization_employees.html - broken link)
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Old 08-31-2007, 09:09 PM
 
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Double Ditto to the Bill Clinton having family values????????
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Old 09-02-2007, 09:48 AM
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It would be naive to say that racism doesn't exist in Texas. While it is true that there is racism everywhere in America it would be disingenuous to suggest that Texas or any place in the south is no worse than any other place in this country.

The truth is that racism is deeply ingrained in this area, so much so that many don't even realize it.


Every year while the Black community celebrates Dr. Martin Luther King Day, the white leaderhsip of Tyler is busy celebrating "Heros of the Confederacy" Day (an official holiday in Texas). When someone had the temerity to ask the Mayor why he wasn't at the MLK festivites he pointedly said "THEY have THEIR holiday and WE have OURS."

Does anyone want to seriously suggest that this is not an example of racism?

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Just a couple of comments on the points raised above. For one thing, racism is one of those words that has no precise meaning. It can mean anything the speaker wants it to mean. And it is not easy to defend oneself against a charge of "racism" (assuming one wants to bother to do so) when there is often no clear idea of what is being charged.

Also, the remark about "being so deeply ingrained that most don't even realize it" I mean no personal disrespect, but this comment seems a bit typical of those who go out of their way to find a racial aspect to everything, and imply that those who do not are somehow less perceptive individuals and need enlightenment; an assumption that what obcesses them should also obcess everyone else.

But regardless, I don't buy that notion at all that "racism" (define as one will) is worse in Texas or the rest of the South than it is anywhere else. Yes, Jim Crow laws existed down here for the longest time. And sad as that was, it can also mean that Southerners were just less hypocritical about it all. Martin Luthur King once noted "If you want to teach a white Southerner how to hate, send him to Chicago."

Today, according to most opinion polls I have seen, black and white Southerners (defined as the 11 Old Confederate states plus Kentucky and Oklahoma) are the most optomistic on race relations than any other part of the country

On the holidays mentioned. Yes, Confederate Heroes Day is an official state holiday in Texas. As it should be. In any event, while the mayor's comments may have been unwise and insensitive, perhaps, I hope it is not being suggested that there is something inherently racist about attending a Confederate Heroes Day celebration as opposed to one honoring Dr. King. Or, by the same token, morally superior in choosing to observe the latter. In fact, there is plenty of room, in my opinion, for people to do both should they so choose. In any event, I will pick and choose my own heroes, thank you very much.

Ok. Just some thoughts!
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Old 09-02-2007, 09:57 AM
 
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Racism is the belief in the inherent superiority of one race over another. When most people say "racism," they actually mean bigotry or prejudice.
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Old 09-02-2007, 11:02 AM
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Racism is the belief in the inherent superiority of one race over another. When most people say "racism," they actually mean bigotry or prejudice.
*nodding in agreement and acknowledgment of a very good point* That is why I believe the term "racist" should be discarded in favor of something more precise. Such as, as you suggested, bigot or whatever.

For instance, anyone alive and reasonably sentient, I think, has to acknowledge that blacks tend to be better athletes than whites in certain sports (football, basketball, boxing, track, etc). It is so obvious it can't just be random chance or coincidence. Taking the premise further, this "fact" (if one accepts it as one) means a certain "inherent superiority" in terms of body build, musculature, etc, as necessary to truly excel in those particular areas.

So, question becomes, is THAT a "racist" statement? BTW-- I mean that question "rhetorically" and ponderous, not at all in a challenging way.
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Old 09-03-2007, 11:02 PM
 
Location: So. Dak.
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*nodding in agreement and acknowledgment of a very good point* That is why I believe the term "racist" should be discarded in favor of something more precise. Such as, as you suggested, bigot or whatever.

For instance, anyone alive and reasonably sentient, I think, has to acknowledge that blacks tend to be better athletes than whites in certain sports (football, basketball, boxing, track, etc). It is so obvious it can't just be random chance or coincidence. Taking the premise further, this "fact" (if one accepts it as one) means a certain "inherent superiority" in terms of body build, musculature, etc, as necessary to truly excel in those particular areas.

So, question becomes, is THAT a "racist" statement? BTW-- I mean that question "rhetorically" and ponderous, not at all in a challenging way.

No, your statement isn't "racist". It's a fact. It's also well known that blacks are generally better at singing (especially gospel songs) and have more rhythm and are often better dancers then whites.
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