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Old 02-18-2009, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Upper East Side of Texas
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No. I drive from SE Houston to Port Arthur every day for work and that is excatly 90 miles. Baytown is about 15 miles from me, so I'd say it's about 70ish miles from Baytown to Beaumont.

To top it off, the drive is essentially nothing but farm land + washed up marsh from Ike's storm surge. Way out that way, the surge washed in 15 miles from the Gulf, and all the bayous and tributaries further inland swelled up as well. Due to that reason alone, I don't think they'll ever develop it out unless there is no land left at all. The land that way = soup. And from the looks of it, a lot of that area was left abandoned.

I don't understand why so many people think Houston and Beaumont are only 30-45 minutes apart. The metros are an average of 100 miles away from each other, and overall they are quite different culturally.
Its not all flat open farmland, there are some areas along I-10 east of Houston that are heavily wooded with 50 ft. tall pine trees. Even parts of Beaumont are heavily wooded especially north of I-10.

As you can see from the map Baytown & Beaumont/Port Aurthur are not that far away. Towns like Winnie & Fannet are located in between the two metros.

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Old 02-18-2009, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Underneath the Pecan Tree
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I just call it the Hood Metro. Suitable to military and gangs alike.
Waco is completely different from Killeen and Temple. It actually has character and history.
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Old 02-18-2009, 12:41 PM
 
Location: 77059
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Ok, it takes me 1 hr 15 mins to get from SE Houston to Port Arthur on a very good day, rushing @ 80-90 MPH most of the way. I can make it from Baytown in about 55 minutes. I've been doing this for almost a year now and have taken a lot of stats to shake off the boredom from that long-ass drive.

That Google map is telling me Baytown to Port Arthur is 70.3 miles... and 67.1 to Beaumont. So my 70ish guess was pretty accurate. I guess that's not too far away? Houston (on average) is essentially the same distance from Bryan/College Station as it is to the Golden Triangle. I guess B/CS isn't that far away, either -- and they're not very far from PV/Waller on that side. So if Beaumont metro is part of Houston's, then go ahead and include B/CS.

BTW I know about Winnie as I zip through it every day. Trust me, that place isn't going to sprawl anytime soon! It takes about 90 seconds to get from one end to the other, population 3k, and in no way connects the Houston metro to the Golden Triangle. And Fannett has a population of 105 (?), and is not even an incorporated "town", is it? There is a lot of nothing in most of Chambers County, and almost all of Jefferson County, and I personally don't see it changing anytime soon.

(Late edit - I'd put the Golden Triangle in the Lake Charles metro before Houston's.)

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Old 02-18-2009, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Upper East Side of Texas
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Ok, it takes me 1 hr 15 mins to get from SE Houston to Port Arthur on a very good day, rushing @ 80-90 MPH most of the way. I can make it from Baytown in about 55 minutes. I've been doing this for almost a year now and have taken a lot of stats to shake off the boredom from that long-ass drive.

That Google map is telling me Baytown to Port Arthur is 70.3 miles... and 67.1 to Beaumont. So my 70ish guess was pretty accurate. I guess that's not too far away? Houston (on average) is essentially the same distance from Bryan/College Station as it is to the Golden Triangle. I guess B/CS isn't that far away, either -- and they're not very far from PV/Waller on that side. So if Beaumont metro is part of Houston's, then go ahead and include B/CS.

BTW I know about Winnie as I zip through it every day. Trust me, that place isn't going to sprawl anytime soon! It takes about 90 seconds to get from one end to the other, population 3k, and in no way connects the Houston metro to the Golden Triangle. And Fannett has a population of 105 (?), and is not even an incorporated "town", is it? There is a lot of nothing in most of Chambers County, and almost all of Jefferson County, and I personally don't see it changing anytime soon.

(Late edit - I'd put the Golden Triangle in the Lake Charles metro before Houston's.)
I never said Houston & B/PA were one "complete" metro region if you go back & review my statement. They are however two very very close large metros located along the upper Texas Gulf Coast. I've also made the trip from Southwest Houston to Beaumont plenty of times to know it doesn't feel like it takes that long from Baytown to Beaumont. It may be 70 miles, but you can make it there in less than 1 hour traffic permitting.

You're just reading too deep into something that never existed in the first place.

Houston does in fact have a lot in common with the Golden Triangle region unless we're debating which city UGK claims. On a side note I wouldn't even put B/PA in the same sentence with Lake Charles unless we're talking about going there to the casinos, thats like me lumping Tyler in with Shreveport, La. Its just not happening. Once you cross that state border you know right away you're not in Texas anymore. The roads become **** & everything around you just looks so run down like the state doesn't really care about its people. All you have to do is look back on Katrina to see that.

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Old 02-18-2009, 02:09 PM
 
Location: 77059
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Houston does in fact have a lot in common with the Golden Triangle region unless we're debating which city UGK claims.


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...The roads become **** & everything around you just looks so run down like the state doesn't really care about its people. All you have to do is look back on Katrina to see that.

TX probably has the best roads in the nation. But - as far as being 'run down,' the state not caring about its people, etc... Have you visited Port Arthur recently?? Much of it is run down just like Louisiana-- truly a depressing sight. The roads are in good shape, but a lot of this area may as well be in Louisiana for that reason alone.
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Old 02-18-2009, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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Waco is completely different from Killeen and Temple. It actually has character and history.
Eh. So does both Killeen and Temple. MOst people in Killeen do not know Waco's history and most people in Waco do not know Killeen's. Character? In the form of what?
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Old 02-18-2009, 05:40 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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Houston does in fact have a lot in common with the Golden Triangle region unless we're debating which city UGK claims. On a side note I wouldn't even put B/PA in the same sentence with Lake Charles unless we're talking about going there to the casinos, thats like me lumping Tyler in with Shreveport, La. Its just not happening. Once you cross that state border you know right away you're not in Texas anymore. .
That's not necessarily a true comparison. Tyler to Shreveport is 90 miles. Orange to Lake Charles is about 24 miles. Now it won't happen because both Orange and Lake Charles are not that big. But there is no difference between Orange, Texas and Lake Charles, Louisiana (except that they have casinos). In fact, the Golden Triangle and SW Louisiana towards Lafayette culturally is not that different. Could be wrong though.
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Old 02-18-2009, 06:50 PM
 
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Eh. So does both Killeen and Temple. MOst people in Killeen do not know Waco's history and most people in Waco do not know Killeen's. Character? In the form of what?
Cameron Park, Lake Waco, Dr. Pepper, Cameron Park Zoo, the hills, Heart O Texas Collisuem, Baylor University, Dowtown Waco, Elm Street, etc. These are some of the things that seperate Waco from Killeen and Temple which offer nothing but sprawl and sprawl.
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Old 02-18-2009, 07:11 PM
 
Location: 77059
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That's not necessarily a true comparison. Tyler to Shreveport is 90 miles. Orange to Lake Charles is about 24 miles. Now it won't happen because both Orange and Lake Charles are not that big. But there is no difference between Orange, Texas and Lake Charles, Louisiana (except that they have casinos). In fact, the Golden Triangle and SW Louisiana towards Lafayette culturally is not that different. Could be wrong though.

From what I've experienced, it's pretty true. The Golden Triangle is essentially the western-most extension of Acadiana, while Houston is the northeastern-most extension of Mexico. Actually I'm not really kidding when I say that.....(just try the local foods) But in Houston you're at a cultural crossroads of several Texas regions. I never realized I worked only 25-30 minutes away from Lake Charles until someone told me.

Not saying there is no 'Cajun' flair in Houston, but it is much more pronounced in the Golden Triangle percentage-wise, and many locals align themselves with SW LA or even Southern LA before Houston. Even the accents of the natives are much different vs. Houston. Working there, it's amusing to me the locals can point out who is local or from Acadiana. They automatically knew I was an outsider the instant I talked. (that was actually pretty cool.)

When I took this job, I thought it was still 'Southeast Texas' and wouldn't be any different. The scenery isn't much different save for the marshes, but honestly the Golden Triangle feels totally different vs. the Texas I'm familiar with. There are 2 different "SE TX", and they're definitely rockin' out over there with their own thing in a metro of their own. And I still say they have a better chance of joining with Lake Charles than Houston as their own, continuous metro in the future... as mentioned they're only 24 miles away, which is about 3x the distance from Baytown to Beaumont.
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Old 02-18-2009, 07:46 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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Cameron Park, Lake Waco, Dr. Pepper, Cameron Park Zoo, the hills, Heart O Texas Collisuem, Baylor University, Dowtown Waco, Elm Street, etc. These are some of the things that seperate Waco from Killeen and Temple which offer nothing but sprawl and sprawl.
I'm sorry, most people do not know of a Elm Street unless it's a movie. Was Freddy Krueger movies based on that street? HOT coliseum, again, nobody cares. Same with downtown Waco, or a lake. I'll give you Dr. Pepper, and Baylor. You have to understand that most people from Killeen is not even from Texas. So they could care less what history Waco has. But I will assume that most Texans do not know anything about a few of the things you mentioned. I don't look at those as historic anyway.

Also, outside of Downtown Waco and Baylor, Waco offers the same thing as Killeen and Temple which is nothing but sprawl and sprawl. In fact, all of the major North Central Texas areas offers nothing but that.
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