Texas is alot like California in many ways (Houston, Dallas: how much, horse)

[jluke65780]

Originally Posted by nmnita

I think you may be letting your political views interfer here a little. Ok, you claim this has nothing to do with it, but if it didn't you wouldn't be making that statement. From what I gather, the majority of the people in Texas do love GB. I am not talking about his ability to run the country, I am talking about him as a person..And, yes, Laura was born in Texas. I have read several bios on her.

Nita

Actually you have no way of making that statement. To flat out say the majority of Texans love bush (If I had to answer, I'd say I doubt it).

[TexasHorseLady]

Originally Posted by nmnita

I think you may be letting your political views interfer here a little. Ok, you claim this has nothing to do with it, but if it didn't you wouldn't be making that statement. From what I gather, the majority of the people in Texas do love GB. I am not talking about his ability to run the country, I am talking about him as a person..And, yes, Laura was born in Texas. I have read several bios on her.

Nita

What political views? I vote not by the party but by the issue and the individual candidate - I'm all over the map. Drives people crazy who DO vote by the party line.

"From what I gather . . ."? Are you saying this is not personal experience? Are you a Texan? Do you live here? Do you think the majority of Texans love Governor Good Hair, as well? (If so, you weren't paying attention in the last election.)

[nmnita]

Originally Posted by jluke65780

Actually you have no way of making that statement. To flat out say the majority of Texans love bush (If I had to answer, I'd say I doubt it).

I said "from what I gather" Where did you read, I said flat out the majority of the Texans love him???

Nita

[nmnita]

Originally Posted by TexasHorseLady

What political views? I vote not by the party but by the issue and the individual candidate - I'm all over the map. Drives people crazy who DO vote by the party line.

"From what I gather . . ."? Are you saying this is not personal experience? Are you a Texan? Do you live here? Do you think the majority of Texans love Governor Good Hair, as well? (If so, you weren't paying attention in the last election.)

I really didn't see him running in the last election, but maybe I missed something? Do I live in Texas, of course not, I did for 13 years but now we are in AR. Do we have many family and friends in Texas, we sure do. In fact we spend many weekends in the DFW area. Not only do we have kids and grandkids there our son in laws entire family with the exception of him live in Texas...

I will say, at least you didn't accuse me of making a flat out statement..I am saying from what I gather, based on all the people we know in the state and what I have seen posted here as well as on other threads..Again, I am not talking about his political views as much as I am him as a person.

Nita

[momof2dfw]

Originally Posted by azriverfan.

Actually that isn't news to anyone outside of Texas. What "mountains" are you referring to...the ones in the Texas "Hill" country....are those the same mountains And even if you do technically qualify to have some type of mountain (which I'm sure you will google and paste a thread about some "mountain" in some random and desolate part of Texas) no one goes to it and uses it actively as a recreational source to the point that it is recognizable. Who cares if you have barren part of west Texas that has a mountain that no one there uses. Howevever, people in LA can actually surf and snow ski in the same day. There are snow ski resorts in California. Do you have that in Texas? NOPE

Sounds like someone has an inferiority complex.
7 Signs You Have An Inferiority Complex
If you didn't then you would not find the need to constantly come over to the Texas forums and continually post inaccurate information. BTW, there are REAL mountains in West Texas that people DO use. Ever heard of the MacDonald Observitory? No, these are NOT in the "Hill Country". LOL!!! Two totally different regions and eco systems.

Yes, people in California COULD go to the surf and snow in one day. But how many actually get to do even one of those at all in one day or once a week. Unless you live right by one of them and don't work full time and don't spend your day commuting long distances your not going to have the time to spend at either. BTW, the beaches in California do get shut down due to high bacteria often. Oh, for the record, I have indeed skied IN California. I've also spent time in the surf there.

Originally Posted by azriverfan.

Let's put it this way, the police force in Texas particularly Houston and Dallas is down right scary..Talk about good ole boys with wide brimmed hat and an attitude. They look like guys from the WWE that just enjoy bullying normal everyday citizens. People were terrified of the police there. You couldn't drive beyond 10 miles in Texas without seeing a highway patrolman just sitting there waiting to pull someone over; they were everywhere. There were speed traps everywhere. In Texas, they will pull you over for going 9 miles over the speed limit. In California, the police leave everyday citizens alone and target gangs and real violence. And the only speeders they pull over are the guys going 20 over; they don't pull over the soccer mom in the minivan going 11 over the speed limit like you find in Texas. It's a total Gestapo mentality in TX

Hate to tell you this but the DPD have not worn "wide brimmed hats" in a GOOD LONG time. Again, some of your diatrabe sounds like someone has an inferiorty complex...... "Feelings Of Persecution: Carried to its extreme, blaming others can extend to believing that others are actively seeking to ruin you. If a man is fired from his job, for example, it may comfort him to believe that his boss was out to get him. It allows him to avoid personal responsibility for his failure."
I'm NEVER afraid of the police and never have been nor do I know of anyone that is. Unless those that are actually doing something WRONG......... then they might have a reason to be afraid of the police.
I also will PASS a police officer and be going 5 mph OVER the speed limit and not get stopped. Um, going 11mph OVER the speed limit........ YES! She SHOULD get stopped . So should the red light runner. And one CAN drive down the highway in Texas and not see a state trooper for the entire trip. I've taken way too many trips all over this state and I've traveled many times when in a good 300 miles I've only seen ONE state trooper. Anyway, good for them for being all over. They are there to prevent accidents from happening. I'd bet if your family got hit and seriously injured or worse and it could have been prevented IF a police officer had stopped them you'd be TICKED for the police not being there.

Originally Posted by TexasHorseLady;9477487[B

]What political views? I vote not by the party but by the issue and the individual candidate - I'm all over the map. Drives people crazy who DO vote by the party line. [/b]

"From what I gather . . ."? Are you saying this is not personal experience? Are you a Texan? Do you live here? Do you think the majority of Texans love Governor Good Hair, as well? (If so, you weren't paying attention in the last election.)

Same here sister. I do NOT identify with one political party at all. I am for the best person for the job no matter what race, gender, religion or political affiliation they are. It does drive some people crazy.

I do have to say you do NOT see the love for "W" like you once did. I don't see a single one of those dadgum "W" stickers that I used to all of the time. People here have stopped identifying w/ him and don't like him that much. I never have liked him and I can proudly say that this Texan has NEVER voted for a single Bush.

Ugh, did you have to bring up Gov. Goodhair.....

[theloneranger]

Originally Posted by TexasHorseLady

I'm a native Texan, 4th generation through all four grandparents, and I do not consider George Bush to be a "Texan from the word go" nor do I love him - quite the contrary, in fact. Laura, now, maybe - but George? Not a chance, and that has nothing to do with politics (I'm a member of the "A Pox on Both Y Your Houses" party), and everything to do with him.

Originally Posted by TexasHorseLady

I think Laura can claim to be a Texan just because she clearly is (I'm assuming she was born here but that IS an assumption, however, she's recognizably Texan). George W. just doesn't have it, I'm afraid. After all, we didn't let him have a position in this state with any real power; he had to satisfy himself with being governor.

Originally Posted by Canine*Castle

She was born in Midland. I can't recognize her really per se as a Texan, but definitely as a southerner. I also recognize GW as a southerner. To me, he just appears quite southern in all respects.

Originally Posted by TexasHorseLady

There's a definite difference between a Texan and a southerner. I can, as a Texas woman, recognize Laura as another of a particular type. GW I don't really recognize as either Texan or southerner.

THL, I would have repped you about 5 times in this thread if the forum would have let me!

Real Texans can tell that GWB doesn't have a Texan accent at all. Most people in Midland, where he spent some time, don't sound like that. NO people in Houston or Dallas, where he spent most of his time in Texas, sound like he does. It's something all his own, and probably just as influenced by Andover, Yale, and Harvard than Midland.

It's odd that CanineCastle sees Laura as southern but not Texan, because Midland is not a particularly Southern town but is probably the epitome of a Texan town. Laura has the refined accent of an educated Texan--it's not quite as drawling as an educated "old money" Southern accent is at all.

I don't know how one can "appear" Southern, other than perhaps going about in public in full dress (Confederate officer's uniform), but Bush doesn't appear Southern to me at all. His advisors don't appear Southern at all. They don't act like Southerners: Cheney isn't a gentleman, doesn't speak with a Southern accent, and can't shoot worth a lick! Bush doesn't act like a Southerner particularly--he has the "cowboy" menality, but that's more Western than Southern. The only siginificant time Bush spent in the deep South was when he was in the Alabama National Guard, which he was AWOL from for long periods of time.

I really don't know where you're getting your impression of the South from, Canine, but Bush doesn't particularly fit any Southern mold. Jimmy Carter is "definitely Southern," GWB is not.

[theloneranger]

Originally Posted by azriverfan.

Well said! Texans have an inferiority complex are always trying to be something they are not. It's funny to hear someone in Texas argue they aren't southern even though all the evidence points otherwise (Confederate state, twang accents, Dallas "Cowboys", this list could go on forever)

The truth is Californians don't care really care about any other city or state outside their own because they have everything. In LA, the only other city people talk about is NY...Texas is just in the middle of nowhere to them.

Most Texans DO believe that they are a Southern state--86% of them according to research done by UNC.

And of the "evidence" you've listed, only 1 of those three things is particularly Southern. "Cowboys" aren't Southern in the least bit--cattle ranches were in the Western US, not the South, and is very archetypical of Western and Southwestern culture. "Twang accents" also aren't particularly Southern. In the South, you find them mostly in Eastern Tennessee and Appalachia, which are the least culturally Southern areas in the South, and in Texas, you find them in West Texas, which is the least culturally Southern area of Texas excluding South Texas. Most Southern accents are much more "drawling" than "twangy," and East Texas, which is the most Southern area of Texas, epitomizes this.

And I find a huge difference betwen pride and inferiority. Texans will argue that their state is unique, and you can't really fight this. Most Texans do believe that our state is better than California, and you can fight this, but you aren't going to change your mind. If you think California is better, you aren't going to like the things most Texans like, like beef, Tex Mex, friendliness, and responsible spending.

Texans do say "I bet you're glad to be back" because we honestly believe this is God's Country and there is no better place. You can talk about "Cali" all you want (Cali is a city in Colombia, BTW, not an American state) but in all honesty it's not what we're looking for. LA people may be "confident enough not to talk about their city," but Texans are confident enough TO talk about their state, because we're so damn proud of it!

[Canine*Castle]

Originally Posted by theloneranger

THL, I would have repped you about 5 times in this thread if the forum would have let me!

Real Texans can tell that GWB doesn't have a Texan accent at all. Most people in Midland, where he spent some time, don't sound like that. NO people in Houston or Dallas, where he spent most of his time in Texas, sound like he does. It's something all his own, and probably just as influenced by Andover, Yale, and Harvard than Midland.

It's odd that CanineCastle sees Laura as southern but not Texan, because Midland is not a particularly Southern town but is probably the epitome of a Texan town. Laura has the refined accent of an educated Texan--it's not quite as drawling as an educated "old money" Southern accent is at all.

I don't know how one can "appear" Southern, other than perhaps going about in public in full dress (Confederate officer's uniform), but Bush doesn't appear Southern to me at all. His advisors don't appear Southern at all. They don't act like Southerners: Cheney isn't a gentleman, doesn't speak with a Southern accent, and can't shoot worth a lick! Bush doesn't act like a Southerner particularly--he has the "cowboy" menality, but that's more Western than Southern. The only siginificant time Bush spent in the deep South was when he was in the Alabama National Guard, which he was AWOL from for long periods of time.

I really don't know where you're getting your impression of the South from, Canine, but Bush doesn't particularly fit any Southern mold. Jimmy Carter is "definitely Southern," GWB is not.

Without being lengthy, I just can't tell a Texan from a Mississippian I guess. To me they're all southern. The accent of some southern states helps to identify, but there are so many native Texans, i.e. newscasters and the like who learned to talk differently and rid themselves of the southern drawl. I guess I just don't have the knack of spotting a "real" Texan, southerner, or whatever like some of you claim to have. It really isn't important anyway. What's important is character and values.

P.S. If cowboys aren't southern, why are there so many southern cowboys? One of the first thing a Texan likes to do is buy his little son or daughter is a cowboy hat and boots. Yes, Texas is synonymous with cowboys and I believe many southerners think that cowboy image is exactly that....southern.

[Canine*Castle]

This inferiority complex thing I believe is true for many. The defensiveness is always evident and the more defensive a person is, the more neurotic he or she may be.

Last night, I had to ask a good native Texas friend why the people in Texas speak of the state and themselves the way they do. He told me it's because he feels they feel inferior and so much of it is just an acting out mechanism. He also commented that I shouldn't get involved in all this posting nonsense as it's so corny. I agree with him that I should not, but I keep on coming back...a glutton for punishment I guess. He is a brilliant Texan, smart and intelligent both...and there is a difference. He was blessed with both. When I met him, I had no clue he was a native, much less a Texan. Why is that? I don't know.

I'm not saying he has the answer, but to be perfectly honest, I was actually thinking the same thing. Sure, we're all a little insecure and possibly feel inferior about this, that, or the other.

Oh well, just a little food for some people's thoughts this morning.

P.S. Pride is one of the deadliest sins. I wouldn't want to boast that I was prideful about anything.

[Canine*Castle]

Originally Posted by nmnita

I said "from what I gather" Where did you read, I said flat out the majority of the Texans love him???

Nita

I've only lived in Texas for 30 years, and I don't love Bush. He puts on such an "acting out" show that is far from admirable. Grant it, I think he's a good man, a good ole boy per se, but love, no way. He's just okay.

You weren't the one that said that anyway, so I just think the responder got mixed up. It happens on these forums.