Texas is alot like California in many ways (El Paso, Beaumont: chapel, to live in)

[theloneranger]

Originally Posted by Canine*Castle

It is okay. If it isn't okay to you, fix it.

I think the genocide of transplants is probably illegal, even here!

[drshang]

I once worked with McKinsey, without question the #1 consulting company out there. They were absolutely, 100% awesome to work with, largely because they didn't spend half their consulting "time" trying to insert their useful information with a bunch of verbal diarrhea about how great they are. Compare that to very good (but not top) firms like Accenture, which seemed more interested in telling everyone how great they are than anything else.

I have been to a few MBA conferences. The guys from Harvard were largely the same way. The Notre Dame guys would not stop talking about how great they were.

Texas is the Notre Dame and Accenture of states. The real "best of class" in anything rarely need to tell everyone how great they are, their reputation preceeds themselves.

[EasilyAmused]

Originally Posted by theloneranger

I think the genocide of transplants is probably illegal, even here!

I dunno, I mean you could "accidentally" tell them to get off at the "wrong" exit. Not my fault they don't know about SW Houston.

[Cathy4017]

Originally Posted by azriverfan.

We do feel proud of our state. The difference is our fondness for our home is sincere and we don't feel the need to tell everyone about it because we know it's great. You guys have an inferiority complex and thus feel the need to tell everyone how great your state is. It's as if you guys are trying to convince yourself Texas is great.

*Yaaawwn*....don't you have anything better to do than spend all of your time bashing Texas?

I guess not.....

[TexasReb]

Originally Posted by drshang

I once worked with McKinsey, without question the #1 consulting company out there. They were absolutely, 100% awesome to work with, largely because they didn't spend half their consulting "time" trying to insert their useful information with a bunch of verbal diarrhea about how great they are. Compare that to very good (but not top) firms like Accenture, which seemed more interested in telling everyone how great they are than anything else.

I have been to a few MBA conferences. The guys from Harvard were largely the same way. The Notre Dame guys would not stop talking about how great they were.

Texas is the Notre Dame and Accenture of states. The real "best of class" in anything rarely need to tell everyone how great they are, their reputation preceeds themselves.

We sure do miss you out here. When will you be returning? The Great State of Texas has hardly been the same since you left!

[TexasReb]

Originally Posted by azriverfan.

We do feel proud of our state.

And that is wonderful. Why don't you do something to improve your state economically and culturally so that Texas will not have to be a choice as to destinations? That way, we will all be in a good humor!

The difference is our fondness for our home is sincere and we don't feel the need to tell everyone about it because we know it's great.

LMAO Oh Yeah, that is why y'all flee it in numbers not matched since the Great Migration, right?

No, what you feel the "need" to do is tell natives of the state so many of your fellows move to -- because of having first turned your own into a cultural and economic cesspool -- is how backward and sorry Texas is. How pathetic. It saves your asses...but it is an object of basic contempt. And you dare speak of inferiority complexes...

You guys have an inferiority complex and thus feel the need to tell everyone how great your state is. It's as if you guys are trying to convince yourself Texas is great.

See above. Inferiority complex? Not hardly, podner....

I don't know how simple it can be made...

This is a TEXAS forum. This is TEXAS. And the State of Texas is our HOME! We can got-dam well brag to the point of total absurdity if we damn well please. No one has to come in and listen to this so-called "convincing ourselves"

If you don't like it...state, region, or private home, stay... out... of... it. Or else redecorate your own more to liking so you don't have to relocate to another. Geez. What the hell is so hard to understand and everybody be happy when it comes to THAT simple concept of existence...?

Azriverfan? In closing? You oughta know I agree totally with you that Texas is essentially a Southern state (even though you see this as a negative and I see it as positive).

But I stand completely with my fellow Texans in that Southern, Western, Southwestern or whatever, in that none have to justify one damn thing to any Yankee nor West Coast transplant who moves here for our milk and honey...then can do nothing but find eternal fault when they are partaking of it.

Simple Texas/Southern manners hold me back from putting it more bluntly. But it comes down to that the reason many of us seem so "defensive" is because so many of your ilk are so OFFENSIVE.

I'm outta here for the night cos if I don't I am liable to say what I really think...LOL 'night y'all!

[Gretchen_SDCA]

Originally Posted by TexasHorseLady

Actually, they were. They've been moving to Texas in significant numbers since when I was playing the "how many different state license plates can you see" game with my son when he was about 7 and we noticed the large number of California (and, at that time, New York) license plates that were out there versus every other plate but Texas. That son is now 37, and it hasn't slacked off any in the intervening 30 years.

Well, of course a lot of people moved from California to Texas, even before the economy declined. Texas has always had much lower property values and it is cheaper to live there. Many Californians who don't like the high prices and high costs of living in California move to Texas, and even more do so now that the economy is in bad shape. Moreover, California is a heavily populated state and probably carries more people than it can ideally support.

However, as others here have pointed out, you try to prove too much. Certainly among professionals and those who have the choice to live
where they want, California is the more popular choice. At my prior firm alone, a nationwide entity, we constantly had people seeking to transfer to our California offices, especially from Texas and the South. Many attorneys have taken the California bar in anticipation of a move. They must really be wanting to come here at a time when legal jobs are scarce and very competitive in California.

I have seen a similar trends in the sciences and major laboratories, with which I have a lot of contact, and by word of mouth from friends in the
accounting profession. People like the scenery, the weather, and the great lifestyle California affords to those who are willing to pay for it.

It does not surprise me that many people are moving to Texas for jobs,lower taxes, lower home prices etc. And indeed, some of those people may be very happy there. But, I also know, that many Californians will not like the culture in Texas, will complain, and will ultimately wish to come back. That is not fair, because if you move somewhere new, you cannot keep comparing and complain - you have to assimilate. But many transplants don't consider that - they just see BIG houses, BIG yards, LOW taxes etc. and move, without thinking about the cultural and social differences, which are SO much more important than what size your house is.

Again, I am not saying that it is the wrong decision for some to move to Texas or any other state. All I'm saying is, they should consider it carefully and not end up bitter and complaining about an ill-informed decision.

[WillysB]

Certainly among professionals and those who have the choice to live where they want, California is the more popular choice.

I take it that would be a reference to the professionals who chose to locate their corporate HQ in Texas.

...that many Californians will not like the culture in Texas, will complain, and will ultimately wish to come back.

...they should consider it carefully and not end up bitter and complaining about an ill-informed decision

That should be headlined everywhere in CA, as a preventive to the migration. That part about ill-informed should be an offense to every CA poster in this forum, posting inquiries about a move to Texas, that you consider them ill informed.

I'm sure you're being in CA in an advantage to CA and Texas, as well as yourself.

[Gretchen_SDCA]

Originally Posted by WillysB

I take it that would be a reference to the professionals who chose to locate their corporate HQ in Texas.



That should be headlined everywhere in CA, as a preventive to the migration. That part about ill-informed should be an offense to every CA poster in this forum, posting inquiries about a move to Texas, that you consider them ill informed.

I'm sure you're being in CA in an advantage to CA and Texas, as well as yourself.

Hi:

Many corporations have their HQ in Texas, because it has cheap real estate, lower business taxes, and a lower cost of living for its employees. I don't
think it is that hard to figure out. It does not speak to the desirability of Texas, although, no doubt, some would find Texas desirable. A place is not
to some what it is to others - it all depends on what YOU want.

I never said that all Californians posting here are misinformed, and no fairminded reader would interpret it that way. What I said was that many Californians are misinformed, and, as many Texans have pointed out, end up wining and complaining about Texas when they do end up there. Moreover, I also mentioned that many find the move satisfactory.

So, really, why do you feel the need to lauch a personal attack? Does it bespeak bitterness, jealousy, or both?

[azriverfan.]

Originally Posted by drshang

I once worked with McKinsey, without question the #1 consulting company out there. They were absolutely, 100% awesome to work with, largely because they didn't spend half their consulting "time" trying to insert their useful information with a bunch of verbal diarrhea about how great they are. Compare that to very good (but not top) firms like Accenture, which seemed more interested in telling everyone how great they are than anything else.

I have been to a few MBA conferences. The guys from Harvard were largely the same way. The Notre Dame guys would not stop talking about how great they were.

Texas is the Notre Dame and Accenture of states. The real "best of class" in anything rarely need to tell everyone how great they are, their reputation preceeds themselves.

I know exactly what you mean. I remember the mental games played in medical school and residency. The smartest and highest ranked people in the class were unassuming, humble and laid back. The ones who were arrogant and cocky were often in the middle of the class. When I see threads entitled "Texas is a lot like California", it demonstrates the inferiority complex afflicting most Texans. Why do they have to compare themselves to California? Why can't Texas be great on it's own? If Texans genuinely believed their state was was so amazing, they wouldn't feel compelled at every chance to tell people that. You don't see threads in the California forum entitled "California is a lot like Texas."

Texans also deny their southern heritage. It's pretty obvious Texas is southern. By saying it's southern, that is in no way saying they are exactly like the states in the deep south, but it does say they have more in common with the south and southern culture than any other culture. Rather than embrace that proudly, Texans try to deny it by saying they are not a part of the south, but rather they are their own entity. This is just an attempt to disassociate themselves from the south which is another example of their insecurity.