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Old 07-26-2008, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Central Texas
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I've given these answers already but here they are again: If some can have free healthcare (e.g. government workers) why not all working people, why not my family? However, things being as they are, I moved somewhere else. I've had that choice.

BTW, I could have easily invested all my savings overseas and shown in the U.S. only my low income, which would entitle my family to Medicaid. I haven't. That's way questioning my ethics by your friends here is inappropriate and makes one wonder, weather it is due to narrowmindedness, hypocrisy or both.
No wonder I missed your "answer".

That's not a clear, concise, logical and ethical answer. That's along the lines of "But Jimmy's doing it, so why can't I do it?" Plus, of course, government workers are actually working at jobs and that's how they get the benefits, so it doesn't apply to the situation that you describe yourself as seeking. You want to NOT work at a job and still get the benefits that those who work for them do.

You don't want to pay for your own health care by getting a job that provides health care (or having your wife do so) or by getting a job that will pay enough to provide for you to pay for a policy that covers your family. Instead, you want everyone who DOES have a job that either provides health care or provides enough resources to pay for it to pay for YOUR health care.

Again, please explain logically and ethically how this is something that the rest of us who do get jobs in order to have health care either through benefits provided as part of our compensation or through paying for them (and, of course, those of us who have jobs but those jobs don't provide health care as a benefit and we don't make enough to pay for them ourselves) should be interested in paying for YOUR health care when you, by your own admission, can get a job to provide these things for you and your family but don't want to.

In other words, you've made it very clear what's in it for you - just as a child gets support and their parents pay for what they need, you get to have someone else support you and provide what you need without working for it. The point to the question I asked was, put very, very plainly, what's in it for us? What do we get out of supporting you and your family in this fashion, when you are able to support yourself? You have yet to make that clear.
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Old 07-26-2008, 03:12 PM
 
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Since you like quoting Scripture~keep in mind something I originally posted to you. "By the sweat of thy brow shalt thou earn thy bread." It means by YOU working and not by everyone else working to satisfy your needs. Funny how you proclaim to be Religious, yet would have no qualms of defrauding the U.S. govt. in order to get yet another handout. (I'm sure you can quote that verse better then I can~you know~the one about how if you've thought the deed, it's as bad as if you've already done it.) I would think you would have integrity and enough pride to WANT to provide for your family. And what's up with the Mrs? Is she handicapped? Is she too old that she isn't physically capable of working? Did you ever tell us why your children can't contribute or are you teaching them to only worry about themselves? I believe that someone has hit the nail on the head with their diagnosis. It's all about ME.

I'm also glad to learn that you weren't originally a U.S. citizen. I find it appalling that someone with your degree would want the rest of us to "give" to you. You have the tools and the knowledge to support your family. Now all you need to do is pull yourself together and do it. We can't help the fact that if we aren't govt. employees, we have to buy our own healthcare. Are you honestly asking the rest of us to pay for you and your family plus our own just because you feel slighted? Are you for real?
Dear Jammie, is it really that difficult to comprehend? Does it take an artist to get it? I didn’t think so, but this thread may change my mind . If you didn’t get it by now, you probably won’t, but I'll give it one more try:

I’ve worked hard for 20 years to save enough, so I can spend the rest of my life doing what I do best and which will contribute more to this world than any other job I could do, even though it doesn't pay as much. I’d prefer to do it in my own country, but if I can’t - due to high cost of medical insurance and property taxes - I’d rather move somewhere else and be a good steward of my talent.
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Old 07-26-2008, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Central Texas
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Dear Jammie, is it really that difficult to comprehend? Does it take an artist to get it? I didnít think so, but this thread may change my mind . If you didnít get it by now, you probably wonít, but I'll give it one more try:

Iíve worked hard for 20 years to save enough, so I can spend the rest of my life doing what I do best and which will contribute more to this world than any other job I could do, even though it doesn't pay as much. Iíd prefer to do it in my own country, but if I canít - due to high cost of medical insurance and property taxes - Iíd rather move somewhere else and be a good steward of my talent.
But you haven't succeeded in the goal of saving enough, if you have to expect others to pay for some very basic needs for you and your family. That's the point. You can't have a goal of "working for 20 years so I don't have to any longer" unless you have a specific financial goal that is realistic as far as providing for ALL your needs. We're not your parents, and we're not responsible for supporting you as long as you are physically and mentally able to do so yourself. Writer or not writer. (As I said earlier, I know several published authors, good ones, who have taken jobs to support themselves while perfecting their craft and being published. They didn't expect to be supported just because they were "artists".)
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Old 07-26-2008, 03:41 PM
 
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But you haven't succeeded in the goal of saving enough, if you have to expect others to pay for some very basic needs for you and your family. That's the point. You can't have a goal of "working for 20 years so I don't have to any longer" unless you have a specific financial goal that is realistic as far as providing for ALL your needs. We're not your parents, and we're not responsible for supporting you as long as you are physically and mentally able to do so yourself. Writer or not writer. (As I said earlier, I know several published authors, good ones, who have taken jobs to support themselves while perfecting their craft and being published. They didn't expect to be supported just because they were "artists".)
Do I need to repeat myself to get thru to you HorseLady? Do you read my posts at all? I just said: I’d prefer to do it in my own country, but if I can’t - due to high cost of medical insurance and property taxes - I’d rather move somewhere else and be a good steward of my talent.
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Old 07-26-2008, 03:46 PM
 
Location: Central Texas
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I do read your posts - do you?

Everyone else has to take into account all the expenses that might occur at the time that one chooses to retire or just quit working. Not just the ones that one prefers to pay, but all of them, just like everyone else Which brings us back to the point that you still haven't answered the question of what's in it for the rest of us that we should wish to support you in this fashion. Got a logical, ethical answer for that one?
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Old 07-26-2008, 06:11 PM
 
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Melbourne, Australia is better then not only from Texas but also from whole USA. I was there for 3 yrs for study, I know how life is there...easy going life, high living standard, good people, respect on each other. whoever you are, asian or black. Tax payment is much more low then USA coz I worked last 1 yr there, i know...If you have any option for Australia to go, please dont miss that, like me.....GO
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Old 07-26-2008, 09:34 PM
 
Location: The West Sieede
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Yes, by all means, Australia. Please.

Steward away down under and add to their roster of nanny state dependents, not ours.

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Old 07-27-2008, 01:11 AM
 
Location: Australia
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Climate in some areas of Australia and Texas is similar (Adelaide or Melbournee for example). My family (wife and two kids) ponders a permanent move to either TX or Australia. No property taxes in Australia and Medicare available to families without paying hefty monthly premiums gives it a big advantage in my situation. Anyone who lived in both and can compare or advise?
Where are you moving from???? The weather in Australia varies greatly from North to South. I am a kiwi who has been living in the South East Queensland coastal area for 2 years this time around and previously 4years. I have recently visited Texas and from my limited research the weather is as varied there as it is in Australia. i.e. Darwin here would be similar to the Rio Grande Valley. The Northern parts of Texas would probably be similar to Melbourne which is capable of having "fours seasons in one day"!! The most perfect weather we have ever lived in was in Southern California. If you are moving to Australia, either Perth on the West Coast or somewhere roughly between Sydney and Brisbane on the East Coast, the closer to the coast the better for best weather and lifestyle experience. Medicare covers most of your public health costs but it is still advisable to top up with private ins. if you can so you don't have to wait for any surgery and you then get your choice of hospital/specialists etc. We pay around $350 month for a premium cover for 2 adults and 2 children. Not sure what you mean by no property taxes. As a homeowner you pay rates every quarter, we pay $700-$800 per quarter. After my visit to Texas, I still love the lifestyle of Southeast QLD and would prefer not to move from here.
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Old 07-31-2008, 01:13 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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and you are correct--I don't consider your backround one of priviledge unless you do count having stable home life, enough food, and family who does know limits to be "priviledged" --and some people would...
Just a belated aside, but we're in a sad state indeed when mere decency and sufficient resources are considered "privileged". I'm not going to say that everyone ought to fit the "traditional family" criteria, but we've deviated somewhere if criteria so basic as filial trust and support constitute a fortunate minority.
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Old 07-31-2008, 10:28 PM
 
Location: Up in a cedar tree.
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I'm looking for Nemo, if you see him please contact me. I miss Nemo.
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