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Old 05-01-2015, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Richardson
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downtown Dallas definitely did more to revitalize their neighborhood than downtown Houston in the 2000's, but the 2010's have been Houstons time to shine.
Downtown Dallas at its present time could be doing more than it did in the 2000's. Before, developers were skeptical on the quantity of residential units, but now you have them fully loading these buildings with amenities. Another big sign is the kind of retail that is coming.

It's obvious Houston is putting far more new construction, but overall construction may be a wash because I consider repurposing a structure as construction too. And renovations are far more subtle with their building practices.

 
Old 05-01-2015, 11:38 AM
 
Location: The Bayou City
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Downtown Dallas at its present time could be doing more than it did in the 2000's. Before, developers were skeptical on the quantity of residential units, but now you have them fully loading these buildings with amenities. Another big sign is the kind of retail that is coming.

It's obvious Houston is putting far more new construction, but overall construction may be a wash because I consider repurposing a structure as construction too. And renovations are far more subtle with their building practices.
I agree dt Dallas is doing more now than it was in the 2000s. I meant downtown Dallas was doing more than downtown Houston in the 2000s, while downtown Houston is redeveloping more than downtown Dallas now (the 2010s).

As for the latter paragraph, that's obvious. The tallest building going up in dt Dallss is what, 18 stories? There are 9 towers going up in downtown Houston taller than that.. Including the tallest building built in Texas since 1987. Not sure what you were getting at with the renovations being "more subtle with their building practices"..?
 
Old 05-01-2015, 12:30 PM
 
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I agree dt Dallas is doing more now than it was in the 2000s. I meant downtown Dallas was doing more than downtown Houston in the 2000s, while downtown Houston is redeveloping more than downtown Dallas now (the 2010s).

As for the latter paragraph, that's obvious. The tallest building going up in dt Dallss is what, 18 stories? There are 9 towers going up in downtown Houston taller than that.. Including the tallest building built in Texas since 1987. Not sure what you were getting at with the renovations being "more subtle with their building practices"..?
He means that, for example, there's a 52 story residential development under construction right now in downtown Dallas that's rumored to be in talks with a large grocery store. It's going to be a HUGE deal, game changer for the whole district. No one's making a big deal out of it. Why? It's a renovation.

1401 Elm developer confirms talks with two ‘upscale grocers’ and other high-end retailers | | Dallas Morning News

Developer unveils gameplan for Dallas' 1401 Elm St. - Dallas Business Journal
 
Old 05-01-2015, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Richardson
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He means that, for example, there's a 52 story residential development under construction right now in downtown Dallas that's rumored to be in talks with a large grocery store. It's going to be a HUGE deal, game changer for the whole district. No one's making a big deal out of it. Why? It's a renovation.

1401 Elm developer confirms talks with two ‘upscale grocers’ and other high-end retailers | | Dallas Morning News

Developer unveils gameplan for Dallas' 1401 Elm St. - Dallas Business Journal
Exactly, f4shionablecha0s. Sorry if I wasn't too clear with my statement, TT, so I'll try to elaborate.

A new structure in Houston can be seen under construction without even being in the neighborhood. Cranes are a sign. I wouldn't have known if the Statler Hilton project was going on or not, unless I was on Commerce Street.

Another example. I had absolutely no clue that the One Main Place demolished the interior space to put the Marriott Hotel inside, even while I was in downtown. I saw an article on the Dallas Morning News stating that. Also, the Class-B office space will be completely renovated and will become nice Class-A spaces.

There are several projects like 1401 Elm and One Main that will revitalize downtown Dallas. These are empty shells right now, completely useless. However, the commercial vacancy inventory is about to drop because literally every large vacant structure in downtown is being repurposed to a residential/mixed use development.

Right now, developers want to pack lots of amenities into them so in about a year or two, they won't be so useless. These will become places to go now. Game changers that will instantly change the streetscape once they become fully operational. This doesn't even include the overall changing environment of central Dallas. As each and every year pass, the neighborhoods will build up and become a more cohesive core. But like I said earlier, Houston is definitely doing an immense revitalization of the core. It's actually quite remarkable when I go visit Houston and see it.
 
Old 05-01-2015, 08:23 PM
 
Location: Austin/Houston
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3,600 downtown residents as of 2015 in Houston according to that article

5,291 downtown residents as of 2010 in Dallas according to the census
Didn't Dallas redraw their downtown boundaries about 5 years or so ago which actually skewed the population numbers a little?
 
Old 05-01-2015, 09:01 PM
 
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Didn't Dallas redraw their downtown boundaries about 5 years or so ago which actually skewed the population numbers a little?
Yes they did but those numbers are only for the central business district. If they counted the residents in the new expanded area it would be more like 20 or 25 thousand.
 
Old 05-01-2015, 09:56 PM
 
Location: Austin/Houston
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Yes they did but those numbers are only for the central business district. If they counted the residents in the new expanded area it would be more like 20 or 25 thousand.
That's not what I remember reading. The new boundaries didn't only include the traditional CBD. It also included some parts of the surrounding areas too which did give it somewhat of a boost.

Houston could have easily done that as well since there are actually more people living within a 5 mile radius.
 
Old 05-02-2015, 12:18 AM
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Old 05-02-2015, 02:37 AM
 
Location: The Bayou City
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He means that, for example, there's a 52 story residential development under construction right now in downtown Dallas that's rumored to be in talks with a large grocery store. It's going to be a HUGE deal, game changer for the whole district. No one's making a big deal out of it. Why? It's a renovation.

1401 Elm developer confirms talks with two ‘upscale grocers’ and other high-end retailers | | Dallas Morning News

Developer unveils gameplan for Dallas' 1401 Elm St. - Dallas Business Journal
sorry downtown Houstons vacancy rate is about 3-4 times as low as downtown Dallas'..? and congrats on the potential grocery store. downtown Houston has a 28,000 sq ft Phonecia..

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Exactly, f4shionablecha0s. Sorry if I wasn't too clear with my statement, TT, so I'll try to elaborate.

A new structure in Houston can be seen under construction without even being in the neighborhood. Cranes are a sign. I wouldn't have known if the Statler Hilton project was going on or not, unless I was on Commerce Street.

Another example. I had absolutely no clue that the One Main Place demolished the interior space to put the Marriott Hotel inside, even while I was in downtown. I saw an article on the Dallas Morning News stating that. Also, the Class-B office space will be completely renovated and will become nice Class-A spaces.

There are several projects like 1401 Elm and One Main that will revitalize downtown Dallas. These are empty shells right now, completely useless. However, the commercial vacancy inventory is about to drop because literally every large vacant structure in downtown is being repurposed to a residential/mixed use development.

Right now, developers want to pack lots of amenities into them so in about a year or two, they won't be so useless. These will become places to go now. Game changers that will instantly change the streetscape once they become fully operational. This doesn't even include the overall changing environment of central Dallas. As each and every year pass, the neighborhoods will build up and become a more cohesive core. But like I said earlier, Houston is definitely doing an immense revitalization of the core. It's actually quite remarkable when I go visit Houston and see it.
ah, i see that. i still stay by my original comment about downtown Houston.

25 developments currently under construction (including a handful of renovations..), totaling billions dollars. tripling the residential population, adding 2 new light rail lines, building dedicated bike lanes, building new hike/bike trails along Buffalo Bayou, redeveloping the entire convention district, and developing a brand new retail district, to name a few..

http://downtownhouston.org/site_medi...ders_11X17.pdf

both cities downtowns have bright futures, that is for sure.
 
Old 05-02-2015, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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He means that, for example, there's a 52 story residential development under construction right now in downtown Dallas that's rumored to be in talks with a large grocery store. It's going to be a HUGE deal, game changer for the whole district. No one's making a big deal out of it. Why? It's a renovation.

1401 Elm developer confirms talks with two ‘upscale grocers’ and other high-end retailers | | Dallas Morning News

Developer unveils gameplan for Dallas' 1401 Elm St. - Dallas Business Journal
Yeah this is what I saw Dallas as in the 2000s. They renovated many empty buildings.
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