Houston vs. Dallas (Austin, Fort Worth, Allen: farmers market, paradise, real estate)

[dallasboi]

Originally Posted by HtownLove

Population Densities around Uptown Dallas and Midtown Houston

0.5 mile radius:
UTD 3,683 @ 4720 ppsm / change over the decade:+1,089
MTH 7,335 @ 9300 ppsm / change over the decade:+1,937
Difference: MTH gained 848 more people

1 mile radius:
UTD 18,137 @ 5732 ppsm / change over the decade:+9,171
MTH 23,547 @ 7445 ppsm / change over the decade:+5,532

2 mile radius
UTD 70,324 @ 5673 ppsm / change over the decade:+13,314
MTH 85,278 @ 6778 ppsm / change over the decade:+13,076
Difference: UTD gained 238 more people

5 mile radius
UTD 325,486 @ 4153 ppsm / change over the decade: -12,848
MTH 395,525 @ 5090 ppsm / change over the decade:+19,565
Difference: MTH gained 32,413 more people

10 mile radius
UTD 1,134,136 @ 3659 ppsm / change over the decade: -11,186
MTH 1,348,325 @ 4298 ppsm / change over the decade:+ 32,843
Difference: MTH gained 44,029 more people

Uptown= SAS Output

Midtown= SAS Output


What this tells me is:

1. The 1 to 2 mile radius around Uptown Dallas is getting dense at a quicker rate than Midtown in Houston although Midtown is still denser by a bit. Looks that Uptown Dallas made a push to catch up to what Houston was doing as the density there got closer to Houston. At 1 mile for example in 2000 MTH was at 18k while UTD was at 9k. Fast forward to 2010 and MTH is at 23K and UTD is at 18K (where Houston was ten years ago)

2. The Core of Midtown (central one mile by 1 mile area or a radius of 0.5 sq miles) is still growing at a faster clip than the core of UTD. The inner square mile of UTD went from 1000 in 2000 to 3600 in 2010, while the core of Midtown went from 5300 to 7300.

3. Uptown Dallas is getting more dense while the rest of the city gets less dense. Conversely Midtown Houston is still getting more dense but so is the rest of the City Houston gained 32,000 more people in a five mile radius around midtown, than Dallas gained around Uptown. To see that Dallas is losing people just 5 miles out of their core is scary.

Summary: Dallas is working hard to improve UTD while Houston is doing the same in midtown, and Montrose, and Upper Kirby, and EADO, and the Heights, and Uptown Houston......

Dallas posters seem to think we are hating on Uptown Dallas. No one is. We are just saying that What Dallas is doing around Midtown has been going on for a much wider area in Houston. It will be nice to have a cohesively dense area that doesn't drop off after a mile or two. Dallas will have a lively uptown area of two square miles, Houston will have a lively inner loop area.

So now you want people to think that UTD is the only area being focused on in the central core of Dallas????
What about:
*The Cedars
*Deep Ellum
*Bryan Place
*Oaklawn
*West Village
*Knox-Henderson
*West Dallas
All these areas currently have projects under construction in addition to the projects under construction in UPTOWN........NICE TRY!!

[HtownLove]

Originally Posted by dallasboi

So now you want people to think that UTD is the only area being focused on in the central core of Dallas????
What about:
*The Cedars
*Deep Ellum
*Bryan Place
*Oaklawn
*West Village
*Knox-Henderson
*West Dallas
All these areas currently have projects under construction in addition to the projects under construction in UPTOWN........NICE TRY!!

Just posting hard data love, you posted names.
Why dont you back that thing up with some numbers?

[dv1033]

Originally Posted by dallasboi

So now you want people to think that UTD is the only area being focused on in the central core of Dallas????
What about:
*The Cedars
*Deep Ellum
*Bryan Place
*Oaklawn
*West Village
*Knox-Henderson
*West Dallas
All these areas currently have projects under construction in addition to the projects under construction in UPTOWN........NICE TRY!!

Both inner cores are booming...

[Watchful]

Okay since there are nearly 8000 posts on this topic, I'll give you the real answer!

DISCLAIMER: Lifelong 50-something Texan except for four years in grad school in KC,MO. Spent about 19 years in the Houston area in more than one location. Definitely biased "for" Houston in terms of rivalries, only because I've lived there. Getting really tired of Texas, period, and getting ready to move to Virginia. Never lived in Dallas, so I'm happy to be proved wrong on my thoughts. Nevertheless, the answer is...

...are you ready...

The differences between Houston and Dallas are really pretty darn small. If you take Houston and Dallas and then place them within the context of the range of locales across the USA, then Houston and Dallas are pretty dang similar.

City limits, Houston is bigger. County, Houston is bigger. Add outlying cities, and Dallas may be bigger. Add Fort Worth, and Dallas is seriously bigger. Add Galveston, and the gap narrows. Add Beaumont, and.........wait, no, let's don't add Beaumont LOL.

They're both huge. They both live by the code of sprawl=good, and any exceptions to that are minimal. Houston probably has more international flavor. Dallas has higher temps. Houston has higher humidity. In July, you'll be miserable either place.

Both have progressive, hip character in many places, along with a huge swath of suburbia with all the good and not-so-good that this entails.

Dallas has progressed much further in rail, and Houston is struggling to catch up, but both are a long way from a world-class-city transportation system.

Having Galveston so close is a good thing.

Good major hub airports...though picky fliers will definitely prefer one over the other, I feel sure.

Neighborhood flight due to school reputations is huge in both places. (ASIDE: Surely SOMEONE is making a fortune off of the real estate relocations that take place because of this.

Austin and San Antonio both have distinct characteristics that definitely distinguish them from Dal/Hou or Hou/Dal, whichever you want to call it.

Most folks who like Houston could adjust to Dallas quite easily, even if they say they couldn't.

Most folks who like Dallas could adjust to Houston quite easily, even if they say they couldn't.

Thanks for reading this far!

[Watchful]

I have a hard time thinking of any major metro area that you would say is seriously similar to Dal/Hou or Hou/Dal.

Can you think of any?

[HtownLove]

Originally Posted by Watchful

I have a hard time thinking of any major metro area that you would say is seriously similar to Dal/Hou or Hou/Dal.

Can you think of any?

Yes, Dallas and OKC could be twins.

[stoneclaw]

Originally Posted by Watchful

Add outlying cities, and Dallas may be bigger. Add Fort Worth, and Dallas is seriously bigger.

Agree with your post, except the bolded part. Adding Fort Worth is the only way Dallas is bigger . And even that's not serious

[Metro Matt]

Originally Posted by stoneclaw

Agree with your post, except the bolded part. Adding Fort Worth is the only way Dallas is bigger . And even that's not serious

Even with Fort Worth's added 400,000 people its not that noticeable, really.

Houston feels like the larger metro because of the wider freeways, taller buildings, & extremely international flair. Both are about the same size in land area & density figures.

[Watchful]

Originally Posted by HtownLove

Yes, Dallas and OKC could be twins.

I suppose that was a HA-HA but really I had thought of OKC and Tulsa as being somewhat comparable to some aspects of DalHou/HouDal (and definitely more so to Dallas), but they are just way too small to be ranked that way.

I guess maybe ATL would be the closest to being a metro area that is similar in some ways, but Houston and Dallas are certainly MUCH more akin to each other than to ATL even.

[Dallaz]

Whole Foods is building a store in Uptown. It's gonna probably be the first truly urban store in Texas. It's not gonna have a parking lot and it's gonna have 225 residential units on the upper floors.

Here's the property