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Old 01-27-2014, 11:48 AM
 
Location: The Mid-Cities
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Originally Posted by TexasTallest View Post
dude, did you not read my comment on the last page..?
and what dont you understand about the TRE feeding riders from the T into DART?

but lets play a little game where i play along with your claims.. DART only serves "half" the metro. take away half the riders from Houstons light rail (so they both supposably serve "half") and your left with 20,000 riders every day on 8 miles of track. vs 90,000 riders on 80+ miles of track. you have over 10xs the amount of track, yet less than 5xs the amount of passengers...
so your logic/reasoning still doesnt show why DART has such low passenger numbers per mile of rail, especially compared to a "toy train" like Houstons light rail.



METRO does not serve all of the Houston area.. it doesnt serve areas like Pearland, Sugar Land/Rosenberg, The Woodlands/Conroe, Galveston, or much of the east side of Houston.. id say it MIGHT cover 2/3rds of the metro area.. and thats being generous.
Your numbers are a little off. Your lowering Dallas numbers, excluding agencies, and boosting Houston's numbers.

DFW
DART Light Rail - 95,400
TRE - 7,800
DCTA 1,800
Total Daily Rail Ridership - 105,000

Houston
Metro - 38,300
Total Daily Rail Ridership - 38,300

http://www.apta.com/resources/statis...rship-APTA.pdf

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Old 01-27-2014, 11:59 AM
 
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This is what art is about....Art is not only museums and how many you have...its about xreating an experience for everybody to participate in...This is the edge dallas has over Houston IMO...Houston just has more museums.
 
Old 01-27-2014, 12:23 PM
 
Location: The Bayou City
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Originally Posted by dollaztx View Post
Your numbers are a little off. Your lowering Dallas numbers, excluding agencies, and boosting Houston's numbers.

DFW
DART Light Rail - 95,400
TRE - 7,800
DCTA 1,800
Total Daily Rail Ridership - 105,000

Houston
Metro - 38,300
Total Daily Rail Ridership - 38,300

http://www.apta.com/resources/statis...rship-APTA.pdf
I was referring to DART only, not the others.. So I rounded my numbers and they were off by a couple thousand.. You still get the point.

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This is what art is about....Art is not only museums and how many you have...its about xreating an experience for everybody to participate in...This is the edge dallas has over Houston IMO...Houston just has more museums.
Yeah, well.. you know, that's just like uh your opinion man..

What experience exactly are they creating in this Dallas arts district that's not being created in the museum district in Houston? You do realize by grouping many of the major museums together that Houston created an experience for "everybody" that visits the area to participate in.. Your right, the arts aren't just about museums.. But when you have some of the finest collections of art in the country, coupled with the Montrose district, you end up with a spectacular museum and arts district. I wonder if Houston designated the Montrose area an arts district if it would be larger than Dallas'..?
 
Old 01-27-2014, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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what will you call the light rail when Houston gets a legit streetcar system again? before i just looked it up, i didnt realize streetcars could go up to 40mph.. i was going to say the light rail trains arent as slow as streetcars (yes, there are a lot of stops slowing the travel time down), but i guess they probably dont top 40mph. single light rail vehicle capacity is around 225 people, but METRORail often runs double car trains, so the capacity is more like 450 people, vs 150 or so per streetcar. the capacity on the DART "light rail" (or should i start calling it a streetcar too? ) is practically the same as the Houston light rail.
Houstons light rail is more like a standard light rail, whereas Dallas' light rail serves more as a commuter rail network.
i agree though, Houston needs a grade separated rapid transit system.
Well the DART LRT rail doesn't run mostly on the streets outside of Downtown Dallas. It's elevated and at grade away from the street traffic at the majority of the rest of the lines. That alone makes it different than Metro rail. I shouldn't say it's like a streetcar that you currently see in San Francisco or the MATA in Dallas. But a 21st century version of a streetcar IMO. There isn't much difference than the streetcar that is currently going up in Washington DC at this moment. Houston's rail is an urban transit system while Dallas rail is a hybrid-urban transit system.
 
Old 01-27-2014, 03:05 PM
 
Location: The Bayou City
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Well the DART LRT rail doesn't run mostly on the streets outside of Downtown Dallas. It's elevated and at grade away from the street traffic at the majority of the rest of the lines. That alone makes it different than Metro rail. I shouldn't say it's like a streetcar that you currently see in San Francisco or the MATA in Dallas. But a 21st century version of a streetcar IMO. There isn't much difference than the streetcar that is currently going up in Washington DC at this moment. Houston's rail is an urban transit system while Dallas rail is a hybrid-urban transit system.
Ah, I'll have to look into DCs streetcar. The "commuter rail" aspects of dart I was speaking of were the out of the city stretches to the suburbs.. In the core it definitely acts as light rail.
 
Old 01-27-2014, 03:53 PM
 
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This is what art is about....Art is not only museums and how many you have...its about xreating an experience for everybody to participate in...This is the edge dallas has over Houston IMO...Houston just has more museums.
I forgot to add the link...sorry guys.

Aurora 2013 - Light of Convergence - YouTube
 
Old 01-27-2014, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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Ah, I'll have to look into DCs streetcar. The "commuter rail" aspects of dart I was speaking of were the out of the city stretches to the suburbs.. In the core it definitely acts as light rail.
Well that's what DC's metro rail system is like. It's urban in the city and you can walk from station to station. But once it gets out of Downtown and especially the city, it starts to become a commuter type of system. The stations are far apart and the areas around them are not very walkable. Sans Arlington County, of course.
 
Old 01-27-2014, 06:33 PM
 
Location: Dallas, Texas
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This is what art is about....Art is not only museums and how many you have...its about xreating an experience for everybody to participate in...This is the edge dallas has over Houston IMO...Houston just has more museums.
Your appreciation for the Dallas arts scene is valid as it is nice, but the Museum District in Houston is one of the nicest parts of the city there and ties into Hermann Park and it's amenities very well. Any time I visit Houston, I always make sure to spend time there. The visual and performance arts spaces in Dallas are top notch though. Add in the Kimbell and the Modern in FW and you have a pretty impressive collection in our metro. Anyone been to the Contemporary in the Design District? I've always wanted to go.
 
Old 01-27-2014, 06:36 PM
 
Location: Dallas, Texas
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Well the DART LRT rail doesn't run mostly on the streets outside of Downtown Dallas. It's elevated and at grade away from the street traffic at the majority of the rest of the lines. That alone makes it different than Metro rail. I shouldn't say it's like a streetcar that you currently see in San Francisco or the MATA in Dallas. But a 21st century version of a streetcar IMO. There isn't much difference than the streetcar that is currently going up in Washington DC at this moment. Houston's rail is an urban transit system while Dallas rail is a hybrid-urban transit system.
I have heard that TRE is considered a heavy rail commuter system. I wouldn't be surprised if it was. The trains go very fast. I haven't seen the A-Train for DCTA in action, all I know is that it doesn't have the bi-level passenger cars like the TRE. Anyone know if there is some truth to that claim?
 
Old 01-27-2014, 06:48 PM
 
Location: The Bayou City
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I forgot to add the link...sorry guys.

Aurora 2013 - Light of Convergence - YouTube
thats pretty cool. youve shown a video from that before i believe.. if only DAD could have interactive arts like that 24/7, not just one day of the year... TBH those 2 videos ive seen of this event are the only time ive ever seen or gotten the feeling like the arts district was one cohesive district and not random fragments of other districts.. and yes i have walked around that area numerous times.

now that i know what you were talking about in your first post, ill reply to it.. youre telling me that one event, one day of the year creates an "edge" for Dallas over Houstons art scene?
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