Houston vs. Dallas (San Antonio, Fort Worth, Irving: elections, production, best hotels)

[R1070]

Originally Posted by HtownLove

nah, if it wasn''t for FW the Dallas area would not have gain that huge regional airport. Love would just be upgraded. The lack of the huge airport would not have spured growth of the mid cities. and thus the area would be smaller.

also without FW there would have been less RR connections in the area, less trade, and thus Dallas would have been closer in size to SA on metro area.

It would not have all those huge shipping income because it would lack the airport and the rails. It would not have gotten those large corporate relocations, the Federal reserve would have gone to New Orleans, etc etc etc.

You have to realize that even though the things were placed in Dallas, Dallas DID get them because it was a regional pull.

cities don't get regional so and so's by themselves. Large cities and smaller ones that form a large region gets things.

so lots of the things that made DFW big would not have occurred with one city only.

That's one way to look at it. No one can really say how Dallas would have grown without FW. Either way it turned out the way it did many like it just fine.

[R1070]

Originally Posted by dallasboi

And if you look at any map of dfw..all of the Ft.Worth suburbs(and FTW)seem to gravitate to the east...its funny how even Ft.Worth has an arm in its city limits that reaches waaaaay over to the Dallas county line.

I believe it is under 12 miles between Dallas city limits and Fort Worth.

If you travel north from Arlington to DFW airport you go through FW.

[ClarenceBodiker]

Originally Posted by HtownLove

nah, if it wasn''t for FW the Dallas area would not have gain that huge regional airport. Love would just be upgraded. The lack of the huge airport would not have spured growth of the mid cities. and thus the area would be smaller.

also without FW there would have been less RR connections in the area, less trade, and thus Dallas would have been closer in size to SA on metro area.

It would not have all those huge shipping income because it would lack the airport and the rails. It would not have gotten those large corporate relocations, the Federal reserve would have gone to New Orleans, etc etc etc.

You have to realize that even though the things were placed in Dallas, Dallas DID get them because it was a regional pull.

cities don't get regional so and so's by themselves. Large cities and smaller ones that form a large region gets things.

so lots of the things that made DFW big would not have occurred with one city only.

You're projecting and rewriting a lot of history. But whatever storyline fits your agenda, I guess go for it.

There are lots of "what if's" in each city's history. Maybe Dallas didn't become as big as it does without Fort Worth. Who knows. But to act like there was even a slither of cooperative effort as a region between Fort Worth and Dallas before DFW was built is to completely ignore 100 years of North Texas history.

[HtownLove]

Originally Posted by nakold23

Hundreds of years of development would have happened differently. Of course I believe Dallas could of grown into a powerhouse as its own but we can't tell.

I dunno about that, Can you think of any state in the United states that developed two massive primate metros (a metro with a large central city)?

Most states have 1.) one huge city with a large metro attached (think LA, or Chicago, or Philly) and 2.) if there is a second large metro in the state, it is usually a collection of smaller cities (think the Bay area, North Texas).
3.)The states lucky enough to have a third large metro usually results from a large city with not much metro area ( San Diego, San Antonio, Jacksonville).

That is why I said Dallas most probably would be about the size of SA without FW. Because it is not very likely to that two large single city metros develop in the same state.

[Nairobi]

Originally Posted by Dallaz

The Dallas Market Center is the world's largest wholesale merchandise resource. The 100 acre complex has more than 7 million sq ft of space.

Campus buildings

World Trade Center (over 3 million sq ft)
Trade Mart (1.5 million sq ft)
Market Hall (214,000 sq ft)
International Trade Plaza (440,000)


The World Trade Center (I think it's the ugliest building in Dallas)

dallas market center - Google Maps

Now this is worth bragging about. In fact, I'd argue that 90% of everything Dallas has, that's worth bragging about, is related to retail lol.

[Exult.Q36]

New congressional district may reopen D-FW rivalry





When filing starts for the new congressional district that stretches across parts of Dallas and Tarrant Counties, it could also open some old wounds.

The long rivalry between Dallas and Fort Worth has eased a bit in the past few years, but the deep differences never seem to completely go away. And some of those hard feelings now appear to be re-surfacing already in the campaign for District 33, where a minority will likely be elected.

D/FW International Airport stands as proof that Dallas and Fort Worth can work together. But remember, the federal government ordered them in the 1960's to stop squabbling and pick a site for a jointly-run airport or it would do so for them.

That rivalry could take off again politically, according to Fort Worth Star-Telegram columnist Bud Kennedy.

"Fort Worth wants this to be Fort Worth's congressional seat, Tarrant County's congressional seat," Kennedy said. "And there's already people in the campaign saying, 'Don't let Dallas steal Tarrant County's seat.'"

CD 33 covers neighborhoods from north Oak Cliff in Dallas into West Dallas through Irving to east, north and southeast Fort Worth. A federal court drew the lines favoring a Hispanic candidate, likely a Democrat.

Sixty-one percent of the voting age population is Latino. But in the last two Democratic primaries, 60 percent of the turnout in the new district came from Tarrant County.

New congressional district may reopen D-FW rivalry | wfaa.com Dallas - Fort Worth

[Exult.Q36]

District 33

Quick District 33 Facts:
The District covers 39% of the land area in Tarrant County, and unlike previous election cycles, it is a district wholly contained within the County.
Voting Age Population (Source: Texas Legislative Council):
486,729
158,653 Anglo
128,069 African-American
170,087 Hispanic
295,472 African-American or Hispanic
32,604 Other

District 33 encompasses the neighborhoods of Historic North Side, Belmont Terrace, Diamond Hill, North Beverly Hills, Sansom Park, Rock Island/Samuels Avenue, Riverside, the Historic Southside, Hillside, Morningside, Poly, Meadowbrook, Eastern Hills, Glencrest, Forest Hill, Everman, Stop Six, Rolling Hills, Greenbriar, Highland Hills, Edgecliff Village, Fairmount, Ryan Place, South Hemphill Heights, Worth Heights, Rosemont, South Hills, Wedgwood, Hallmark-Camelot, White Lake Hills, Woodhaven, Ryanwood, much of Arlington – North Arlington, Downtown and East Arlington, and most of Grand Prairie located within Tarrant County.

Your New Texas Congressional District 33 | Kathleen Hicks for Congress (http://www.kathleenhicks.com/en/district-33/ - broken link)

[tebor79]

Dallas aint got nothing on this!


http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x322/tebor79/25572.jpg (broken link)

[kenshi]

Gotta ask, what the hell does it matter if Dallas benefits from having another major city in the same metro? Yes, DFW wouldn't be DFW without FW but we do have FW so we are DFW. That just makes the Metroplex more diverse. I think Houston wishes it had a sibling.

[ClarenceBodiker]

Originally Posted by kdogg817

New congressional district may reopen D-FW rivalry





When filing starts for the new congressional district that stretches across parts of Dallas and Tarrant Counties, it could also open some old wounds.

The long rivalry between Dallas and Fort Worth has eased a bit in the past few years, but the deep differences never seem to completely go away. And some of those hard feelings now appear to be re-surfacing already in the campaign for District 33, where a minority will likely be elected.

D/FW International Airport stands as proof that Dallas and Fort Worth can work together. But remember, the federal government ordered them in the 1960's to stop squabbling and pick a site for a jointly-run airport or it would do so for them.

That rivalry could take off again politically, according to Fort Worth Star-Telegram columnist Bud Kennedy.

"Fort Worth wants this to be Fort Worth's congressional seat, Tarrant County's congressional seat," Kennedy said. "And there's already people in the campaign saying, 'Don't let Dallas steal Tarrant County's seat.'"

CD 33 covers neighborhoods from north Oak Cliff in Dallas into West Dallas through Irving to east, north and southeast Fort Worth. A federal court drew the lines favoring a Hispanic candidate, likely a Democrat.

Sixty-one percent of the voting age population is Latino. But in the last two Democratic primaries, 60 percent of the turnout in the new district came from Tarrant County.

New congressional district may reopen D-FW rivalry | wfaa.com Dallas - Fort Worth

How utterly ridiculous. What in the world does Oak Cliff, Irving, and Ft. Worth have in common to the point that they'd need to share a congressional seat? Whoever wins, a Ft. Worth or Dallas person, one city's side of the district is going to get shafted. One group of people isn't going to get the adequate representation they deserve.