Now Let's Have The Other Side. (Houston, Dallas: neighborhoods, school district, moving to)

[TexasReb]

Originally Posted by KerryB

When you have nothing else, attack their grammar.

Nope, you misread totally. I NEVER attack someone's grammar. For one thing, if I did, I would set MYSELF up for total destruction. I can't naturally spell, nor do I know a dangling participle from ending a sentence with a preposition. I was always one of those who could make a decent grade in "content" but fail totally in "mechanics" LOL

What I said earlier was what I stand by...and it has nothing to do with the English language as per books...but that it just made no stairstep sense. Rather, it was that the initial self-righteous position and premise fell apart completely by its own verbage.

I mean, something like (and I am not quoting..just giving an example): I am (by gawd] an 8th generation Texan...but yet? It refers to Texans in a third person sense even as (s/he) speak of themselves in the first. There is no way that a contradication cannot be noticed...

I don't care where a comma is put...I couldn't have done any better, far as it goes in sentence structure. I am the world's worst at that type stuff..

So wanna take this up again...?

[TexasReb]

Originally Posted by johnbain

I spent 20 years in TX and I stand by that they are NOT the most tolerant people. I have travelled the USA and lived in other states and found other places more tolerant.

Nothing wrong with pride but when you have so much pride you can't admit faults then that is a problem.

When you have so much pride that you think that everything in your state is better then every other state that is a problem.

That is all I am saying. That video of family guy is DEAD ON for South Texas. Can't say if it is for the rest of the state though.

Ok...fair enough.

But let me ask you something...who ARE the most tolerant people? Is it folks from California, Massachusetts...? Please be specific, and exactly why.

Why is it a problem that I think my state is best? Is it a problem that I prefer my family and extended family over the others?

I guess what I am saying is why should NOT we Texans have excessive pride in our state? Cos it gets hot in the summer...?

Something else...here is what you wrote:

Nothing wrong with pride but when you have so much pride you can't admit faults then that is a problem.

Again, what are we being compared to in terms of "faults" and "pride"? We must be doing something right because so many northerners and west coast folks seem to be wanting our catfish and cotton and moving down here faster than Tom's made peanuts...

BUT...lets start from here. You say, nothing wrong with pride, but it can become excessive?

You are correct. The Bible teaches so. As it is, I would like to know your distinction between honestly proud and excessively prideful. Since you call Texans to task, I really want to know...

[Canine*Castle]

Does anyone know the synonyms for pride? Perhaps that is why some of us don't like hearing about the pride someone or some place has. It's not attractive.

[TexasReb]

Originally Posted by Canine*Castle

Does anyone know the synonyms for pride? Perhaps that is why some of us don't like hearing about the pride someone or some place has. It's not attractive.

I know a few..and could drag out my Thesarus and come up with a few more! *smiles*

I repect you, CC...but are you saying because it might be "unattractive" to those who have no real clue about Texas and its history, that we should just shut 'er all down?

I don't know how many ways I can say it...but Texas is our HOME! The fact that outsiders don't like to hear about it or find it unattractive don't mean diddly damn.

I am sorry to be so blunt, but again, I just wish I could get it across that the way we Texans feel about our state is not easily understood to those who feel almost nothing for their own states.

To tell a Texan that their "pride" in their state is "misplaced" or "excessive" is akin to telling them that their family pride is screwed up.

[JamesAbilene]

Originally Posted by TexasReb

Nope, you misread totally. I NEVER attack someone's grammar. For one thing, if I did, I would set MYSELF up for total destruction. I can't naturally spell, nor do I know a dangling participle from ending a sentence with a preposition. I was always one of those who could make a decent grade in "content" but fail totally in "mechanics" LOL

What I said earlier was what I stand by...and it has nothing to do with the English language as per books...but that it just made no stairstep sense. Rather, it was that the initial self-righteous position and premise fell apart completely by its own verbage.

I mean, something like (and I am not quoting..just giving an example): I am (by gawd] an 8th generation Texan...but yet? It refers to Texans in a third person sense even as (s/he) speak of themselves in the first. There is no way that a contradication cannot be noticed...

I don't care where a comma is put...I couldn't have done any better, far as it goes in sentence structure. I am the world's worst at that type stuff..

So wanna take this up again...?

I have been known to sometimes split an infinitive. There are also some prepositions that I end sentences with. You have to do what you have to do.

[TexasReb]

Originally Posted by JamesAbilene

I have been known to sometimes split an infinitive. There are also some prepositions that I end sentences with. You have to do what you have to do.

You gotta be kiddin', JA? Split an infinitive? The only time I ever did that was when I also was a bit careless with a dangling participle...

[seattlerain]

Originally Posted by Canine*Castle

Does anyone know the synonyms for pride? Perhaps that is why some of us don't like hearing about the pride someone or some place has. It's not attractive.

This is what somebody else has to say on the subject.

Eyes On Texas|Texas Bashing

"Texas Bashing is a national phenomenon to which Texans take extreme umbrage. Texans have no way of seeing themselves the way the rest of the country, or world sees them. To a Texan bragging about Texas seems a perfectly natural thing to do. From early grade school Texans are propagandized with a theme summarized by the phrase 'Texas Proud'. To a non-Texan, particularly a Yankee, and most particularly a West Coaster, Texas Pride can seem a bit delusional. Very few Texans seem to understand that it is their 'Texas Pride' which provokes most of the Texas Bashing."

Before anybody attacks me let me say that I'm neutral on the subject. As a non-Texan who has lived in Texas I can see both sides.

I'd also like to add that it is my belief that a lot of Texas bashing is based on stereotypes many non-Texans have of Texans.

[GoingHome2TX]

As far as gripes about Texas go, save for possibly the heat, I have yet to see a well formulated genuine complaint posted here. It boils down to someone who moved in doesn't like the way Texas is and wants to complain about her not being like where they come from. Then we get labeled as intolerant, or too proud.

Well, I think we have covered the reasons we are proud, and some people just can't seem to grasp that one. And since we haven't fully covered our tolerance, here goes what I have been tolerating through this thread.

Yeah we got problems, but nobody in this thread has fully addressed them. You want them, here they are:

1.) The hordes south of the Rio Grande that flow in daily.

2.) The hordes west of El Paso that flow in daily.

3.) The hordes east of Texarkana that flow in daily.

4.) The hordes north of Straford that flow in daily.


There are reasons why we have these problems.

Number one on the list is because we have a farce of a Federal government that prohibits Texas from playing Mexicans and Texas Rangers anymore. Instead, we are forced to welcome them in, grant them immunity and offer them a free ride on a system that is broken and bankrupt. All while building a stupid wall up that will stop nobody, because right across the river, Pedro is building a ladder rental store.

Numbers two, three and four on the list are because Texas is the shining Lone Star that is doing well economically, where everyone else in the country is in a serious crunch from a failing government. Oil is booming, and the state was smart enough to diversify her oil revenue over the last 50-75 years into her educational system to tap into resources above and beyond her oil supply. Couple this with a very conservative spending habit at the state level, and you get an understanding of why our problems for these last three examples exist.

And yes, these are problems. It means we are having to expand our road systems at a faster rate than we collect revenue to expand the road system. Our property values increase, and thus, our property taxes increase. People cost more money than they generate. At least when they all move in at once. All of this leads to making it harder to make a decent living in the long run.

Nevermind the increase in crime rate that comes along with population, which in turn costs more money by requring more law enforcement. Then they want utilities, a fire department, more schools, and on and on.

Which at this point, we get to that question of why a Texan will reference his family history in Texas. It is a sign that no we are not going to be like these Johnny-Come-Latelies that move to greener pastures at the first sign of bad times. We stick to our roots, though thick and thin. Or at least most of us. A Xth generation Texan is less likely to move away when the economy is in a downslide than someone who just moved into Texas because of a bad economy in wherever they came from originally. He will still be here paying the higher taxes that were caused by the transient residents in the economic boom period, but then left the moment it waned.

The upside to all of this is that we are just a little too far for a Cuban to row a canoe in our direction.

It wasn't a matter of me being delusional about our problems, it was a matter of me trying to be too polite. And that is the other side.

[Canine*Castle]

Originally Posted by JamesAbilene

I have been known to sometimes split an infinitive. There are also some prepositions that I end sentences with. You have to do what you have to do.

Don't worry about ending a sentence with a preposition per se. Prepositions can also be adverbs if there is no object present and the word modifies a verb such as:

Turn the television on so we can see the weather. (on modifies the verb turn)

He is sitting on the chair. (object of preposition is chair)

Usually, it isn't wrong to end a sentence with a preposition.

Gosh, I'm too old to remember infinitives.

[TexasReb]

Originally Posted by TexasReb

Instead, IMHO, you presented your case from a second person point and, well, again, lets put it this way. I don't believe you are what you claim to be.

I will apologize publicly if I am wrong. But I don't think I am.

I thought about this all night (well, not ALL night, I did sleep some! LOL), and want to apologize to the poster for the way I worded it. I do NOT mean to imply someone is falsely presenting themselves. I stand by certain things as to contradictions in wording, but in no way do I mean to question their claims as to Texas ancestry. I could have said it differently and should have. So I hope I may be forgiven for this lapse in manners!